Weapons Handler for Alec Baldwin Film Has Resume for “Ensuring gun safety on set along with instructing actors on how to use their guns.”

Showbiz 411 ^ | 10/22/2021 | Roger Friedman

[DiogenesLamp]

In a previous thread I pointed out that the Supreme Court has ruled that violence forwarding union goals cannot be prosecuted under the RICO Act.

This is true? That's crazy, but given how crazy our courts have become ever since FDR and Truman stacked the Federal Judiciary with kooks, it's entirely believable.

The fact that union walked off of the set in a pay dispute looks pretty suspicious.

Exactly what I thought when I heard there was a Union dispute going on. I will be shocked if it turns out that this incident wasn't the result of this dispute.

That is my thought as well. Anyone who handles guns at all isn’t going to mistake a ‘blank’ from a cartridge with a real bullet.

Absolutely correct. I see a lot of other people in this thread all too willing to blame the girl, but I don't see how anyone could have possibly made this sort of mistake.

And of course, that begs the question, why would there be any cartridges with bullets allowed on the set at all?

Upon further reading, I saw people saying these were black powder weapons with powder and balls. If this is correct, we may be looking at a similar sort of accident to the one that killed Brandon Lee.

If someone fired the gun with a weak charge, it might have left a slug stuck in the barrel. Fired again with a full charge, and it would have had enough power behind it to kill someone.

I'm not terribly familiar with old cap and ball six shooters, but I believe you load the cylinder without ramrodding through the barrel.

If a slug was stuck in the barrel, this might have been overlooked because the charges were put into the cylinder without going through the barrel.

[Jane Austen]

Exactly. Alec Baldwin pointed the gun at a person and then he pulled the trigger.

[Jane Austen]

Exactly. Alec Baldwin pointed the gun at a person and then he pulled the trigger.

[DiogenesLamp]

Not outside the realm of the possible, but first we need to establish the responsibility of Baldwin, who was proximate. If the chain of custody was broken and another party snuck a live round it, how and why are pertinent but not exonerating of Baldwin..

Since I first replied to you I have been reading further, and i've seen people say that the weapons used in this show were old cap and ball type weapons, which would have been the earliest type of six shooters used.

I have never owned one of these, but i've known people who did, and if I recall properly, when you load them, you put the powder, wading and slug into the cylinder. I think the gun either breaks open, or the cylinder slides out, and you load the cylinder without ramrodding through the barrel.

Why this matters is if the gun was ever fired with a weak charge. A slug could have been pushed into the barrel and gotten stuck in there, but the next time it was fired with a proper powder charge, it would have dislodged the stuck slug and propelled it out of the barrel.

This may be what happened. This is what happened when Brandon Lee was killed with a firearm mishap on the movie set.

[hanamizu]

This is true?

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United States v. Enmons, 410 U.S. 396, was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court held that the federal Anti-Racketeering Act of 1934, known as the Hobbs Act, does not cover union violence in furtherance of the union’s objectives.

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I’m not terribly familiar with old cap and ball six shooters, but I believe you load the cylinder without ramrodding through the barrel.

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Black powder revolvers are loaded by pouring powder and then a ball into each cylinder either using a specialized rig off the the revolver, or using the revolver’s loading lever. Many put a felt wad or grease over the balls to avoid chain fire. That could obscure the ball in the cylinder. The over ball felt wads are pretty light weight and could only be dangerous if the barrel was very close, like inches from the victim.

But if they were using black powder revolvers, why would there even be lead balls on the set? The guns would shoot and sound pretty much the same shooting powder and felt wads as shooting an actual ball. Civil War reenactors shoot their muskets this way all of the time. They do make a point to never actually point their weapons at people, but fire over their heads.

[Ann Archy]

He POINTED THE GUN AT HER AND PULLED THE TRIGGER!! HE’S A KILLER! NO DIFFERENT THAN A DRUNK DRIVER!

[Beowulf9]

I have seen so many posts that are merely opinions. Borne out of dislike for Baldwin. Let’s see the facts.

[2harddrive]

Perhaps INSTEAD of condemning guns and gun owners, Alec Baldwin should have learned BASIC gun safety! The REALITY is that he pointed a loaded gun at a person and PULLED THE TRIGGER! That is NO “misfire”, the firearm WORKED AS DESIGNED. HE failed to CHECK to ENSURE that it was unloaded. I’ll bet he did not even know HOW to CLEAR it.