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Brian Laundrie search: Coroner arrives at Florida park after fugitive's items found.
Fox News ^ | 10.20.2021 | Michael Ruiz , Stephanie Pagones

Posted on 10/20/2021 10:12:52 AM PDT by Carriage Hill

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To: Quality_Not_Quantity

In prison he might last another 80 years.

What is that old gospel song? The joy of being in Heaven and after a million(?) years I’ve only just begun? Same goes for being in Hell.


141 posted on 10/21/2021 3:08:03 AM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: William Tell
There are lots of variables here. Consider just a few possibilities: Shot, collapses to ground, dies, exposed to elements, starts decomposition. Same as above, but body falls into water--decomposition rate and type changes. Same as above, but becomes covered with water before or after decomposition begins (due to flooding)--decomposition again will be of a different pattern. Same as above, but scavengers (in or out of water) alter body and body parts. And so on.

Regardless, if the decomposition is advanced, especially if the remains are scattered, it can be difficult to tell human from animal, at least for non-anthropologists and non-pathologists (for example, hikers, park rangers, deputy sheriffs, news photographers). Dead cats have been mistaken for human babies, if all that is left are ribs and spine. Deer and cattle leg bones have been mistaken for human arm and leg bones. Bear paws have been mistaken for human hands and feet. And so on. Many times the skull and jawbone are absent--very easy for animals with canine teeth to drag those away from the body to a separate location to gnaw on them--so an easy way to tell human and adult vs. child is frequently gone.

So the remains found have to be removed back to a laboratory and more closely examined for clothing, collars/bracelets, tattoos, hair vs. fur, etc., and then the tissue removed from the bones (takes a few days, with scalpels and scissors followed by heat, agitation, and soapy detergent degreaser solutions on the bones to separate the soft tissues), and the numbers and types of bones examined (two femurs, one right and one left, of same size, so one individual present, for example). Animal bones have different shapes, thicknesses, and markings than human bones (leg bones, for example, usually do harder work and may carry more weight than humans--think big cow, for example--and will have deep grooves for their strong tendons at the knee joints, rather pulley-like, compared to human joints). And are diseases present, which can alter the bone appearances? And are any prostheses present, such as hip replacements, plates and screws, etc.? Note that even pets these days can get hip replacements and orthopedic plates on fracture repairs.

DNA, being a biological material, will likely be partly or severely degraded with the decomposition, and full DNA profiles can't be done, just mitochondrial DNA, which matches only a person's mother's female line. And that also requires knowing some idea of who the dead person is, so that relatives can be identified and tested for DNA for comparison--not that many databases around with lots of people's DNA or mitochondrial DNA already tested. And the results are matches with odds like 1 in 5,000 chance of being a random match, with mitochondrial, vs. 1 in 350,000,000 chance of being a random match with full DNA, so far less persuasive. And it takes days to weeks to get a result, after the referral lab begins the testing (which can take months to get around to starting).

So the dramatic scene on TV of a swab of a decomposed body in the woods immediately stuck into a test tube in the field and the answer coming out just as fast--species, sex, race, age, identify, how long dead--it's all garbage.

142 posted on 10/21/2021 7:06:45 AM PDT by Notthemomma ( )
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To: Sacajaweau

Human vs. animal—”You’d think the dog could tell them that.”

No, cadaver dogs just home in on rotting soft tissues, not necessarily human.


143 posted on 10/21/2021 7:09:15 AM PDT by Notthemomma ( )
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To: gloryblaze
" The text of the article does say "medical examiner." I suppose someone shortened the headline for brevity.

Sarasota County's chief medical examiner, Dr. Russell Vega, told Fox News Digital in an email that his office responded to the area "at the request of law enforcement."

If the M.E. didn't send a coroner on his behalf because there is no such thing, then no real harm done. "

The two positions are NOT the same or interchangeable, although many people (ignorant people) think they're the same. I suppose the intent of the article and the terms used is the same--the responsible individual tasked with the death investigation--was called out to the scene.

But words really do make a difference. Had this happened several hours' drive north across the FL-GA border, then it would make a big difference--the GA County Coroner called out to the scene, with the Coroner being a local funeral director or EMT or retired biology teacher, etc. who got elected to the County Coroner spot, and then the Coroner could send the remains to the regional Georgia crime lab's pathologist for the examination/autopsy. With FL, you get a much higher level and more professional examination from the get-go. Because there are no Coroners in FL. But I repeat myself.

144 posted on 10/21/2021 7:20:41 AM PDT by Notthemomma ( )
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To: CrimsonTidegirl

I have a dozen snake stories. Snakes in toilets, crawling up to me and wrapping themselves around me. Screams!!!

Kitties bring in snakes all the time. I’ve gotten better at disposing of those creatures of Satan.


145 posted on 10/21/2021 1:09:41 PM PDT by bgill (Which came first, the vax or the virus?)
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To: bgill

Yikes!

I would have already died from a heart attack.


146 posted on 10/21/2021 6:24:51 PM PDT by CrimsonTidegirl (“Hey you, White House. Ha ha, charade you are.” Pink Floyd )
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