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California Is Banning Small Engines. Here's What It Means
The Drive ^ | 10/14/21 | Rob Stumpf

Posted on 10/15/2021 7:41:50 AM PDT by Yo-Yo

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To: babygene

No sir, lawn equipment simply does not create mass.


121 posted on 10/15/2021 5:43:48 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: setter
A Raptor gets about 24 miles per gallon. This comes from the Ford web site. To make a 3,900 mile trip it would have to consume 162.5 gallons of gasoline. Each gallon of gasoline weighs 6.3 pounds, giving 1023.75 pound of gasoline for that trip. Gasoline is about 30% carbon, so that means the Raptor released 307.125 pounds of carbon into the atmosphere.

Do you seriously believe that running ANY yard machine for 1/2 hour is going to produce more than 307 pounds of carbon?

122 posted on 10/15/2021 6:06:24 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Republican in occupied CA

I use my chainsaw for hours at a time after storms that knock out power most of the time. Every time an ice storm is predicted, I move my generator and my chainsaw into the heated storage space. I have a battery powered Sawzall and an battery powered chainsaw that sees occasional pruning duty, but there is no way that is useful when 12-48inch logs are on my personal or county road.

I think these government types all live in the same condo complex and all this stuff is taken care of by people they never talk to. Wait I am describing the California gardener situation perfectly. Government types of all races do not talk to people who own work boots and gloves. They talk to lobbyist and urban vote leaders.


123 posted on 10/16/2021 4:39:39 AM PDT by protoconservative (Been Conservative Before You Were Born )
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To: GingisK

The emissions comparisons are not for CO2 gasses nice straw man though. The emissions comparisons are for CARB regulated emissions of NOx,SOx, unburnt hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide,PM2.5 particulates and VOC compounds. Modern computer controlled closed loop engines with three way catalysts and PM filters produce nearly no emissions of those regulated emissions. What they do produce is measured in the part per billion range. A two cycle engine on a leaf blower on the other hand will produce massive amounts of every one of those regulated emissions. One only has to watch the plume of blue smoke pouring out the leaf blower to see that. The smell of unburnt fuel and oil is thick in the air anywhere they are used. The numbers given by CARB have been lab verified by putting tail pipe sensors up the exhaust pipes of not only on road vehicles but also putting them up the pipes of SORE engines. The newly passed law doesn’t even contain a reference to CO2 in the actual text of the law read it ca.gov has the text in PDF form. What is in the law is NOx,VOC,PM and ROG emissions which SORR engines produce in huge amounts. Manufacturers could put three way catalysts and closed loop computer control on off road engines and bring them into compliance with what is acceptable for on road use. It would add a few hundred dollars to the price but it would cut emissions down to near zero just like modern cars. About the smallest engine that could be fitted with three way cats is likely in the 10hp range dual O2 sensors and an ECU to run them plus fuel injection vs carburetor.


124 posted on 10/18/2021 8:52:36 PM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici" )
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To: JD_UTDallas

Looks like the tech already exists and manufacturers have been too cheap to implement it. So they got bite by CARB. Look at the emissions reductions with the cat and ECU control there is no longer a smog problem at least not from SORE engines.

https://www.nettinc.com/products/3-way-catalytic-converters/bluecat-small-spark-ignited-engines-emission-control

https://www.ecotrons.com/small_engine_fuel_injection_kit/


125 posted on 10/19/2021 2:03:06 AM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici" )
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To: JD_UTDallas
If you believe 1/2 hour of a small engine produces more of the N compounds than a 3900 mile road trip at 24mpg, have at it. It isn't true. Chemistry is chemistry. The truck doesn't scrub nitrogen from the air before combustion, so unless it runs at a significantly lower temperature, it WILL be producing them.

The nitrogen compounds are not the "greenhouse gases" anyway.

126 posted on 10/19/2021 6:38:25 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK

You don’t understand how NOx is formed apparently. All internal combustion forms NOx be it diesel or it to cycle. Diesel Trucks and cars have very expensive SCR catalysts with dual sensors and urea aka diesel exhaust fluid to charge the catalysts with. They produce copious amounts of NOx just like every other high compression combustion event. The emissions are controlled with technical means via dual or three way catalysts, urea fluid, and triple sensors dual O2 sensors and a final NOx sensor for SCR systems none of that exists on a small engine and they absolutely do produce large amounts. That’s documented scientific fact with literally thousands of hours of tail pipe and manifold tests. Personally I don’t care what you believe the data is publicly available from the EPA,CARB and even the manufacturers themselves as they must release emissions data normalize to grams per km traveled or grams per go hour of operation. Look it up it’s freely available. The text of the law is accurate and verifiable by not only CARB but also the EPA own technical reviews no one cares what internet people think the EPA rules are written by scientists who have documented evidence.


127 posted on 10/19/2021 7:24:05 PM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici" )
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To: JD_UTDallas
It is difficult to believe anything that comes from government "experts". They slant everything in order to justify stupid legislation. Every agency of the government has been politicized.

I'm sure the bigger engines scrub a most of the nitrogen crud; however, those small engines simply do not pass through enough air in 1/2 an hour to justify the fuss.

128 posted on 10/20/2021 5:16:21 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: JD_UTDallas
Another thought, one that should have occurred to the "fearless leaders", instead of banning small engines, how about merely putting cute little catalytic converters on them?

Western society is being outlawed, banned, and shunned one piece at a time. It is just stupid to attempt to change The Way of Life just because someone thinks there is something adverse about them. Once we go back to horses, people will complain about horse droppings. On the bright side, the buggy whip manufacturers can come back.

129 posted on 10/20/2021 5:46:02 PM PDT by GingisK
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