Posted on 09/23/2021 3:04:54 PM PDT by BeauBo
To be fair, we will never be “through” this, if by that one means that there will be no more of this CCP Frankenstein’s monster virus.
The Brits have admitted that it’s endemic, and our own elites will eventually smell the coffee and admit the same.
And now we’re down to individual choices. Some may choose the vax, some may choose to suffer the disease, with the vast majority recovering. Given the nature of RNA viruses, it will continue to mutate.
The good news is that we’ve got the tools to manage this now. All of the FR drama notwithstanding.
“ Every time I see Novavax I think is a erectile dysfunction drug.”
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I think of an anti-vaccine person that stutters…….
No Va Vax……..
Read this post;
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3988541/posts?page=131#131
CNN Sux
Don’t you know that?
Why are you posting to me?
Turn off the TV.
Those CNN stats are probably true as stated - but cherry picked. Spun, to fit their preferred narrative.
Deaths lag cases, and cases surged early during the Delta wave in the South (where vaccination rates were/are lowest). Their deaths are just coming off their peaks, and still high.
Meanwhile (possibly due to seasonal factors) Delta cases are rising in some Northern States- even Vermont, the most vaccinated. Many of them have likely not yet peaked on their Death curves from Delta.
CNN probably wanted to get their story out, and into people’s minds, before the Southern Deaths dropped a lot more, and the Northern rise in cases ripened into deaths. That stat will probably look different in a month or two (and CNN will probably not report it).
Deaths in terms of Case Fatality Rate will likely be lower in the North (due to high vaccination rates, especially among the vulnerable), but the ratio between the absolute numbers in the North and South will likely shift significantly to favor the South more.
The protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn’t protect the protected.
I have been analyzing hospitalizations and deaths based on GA dph data, vaxxed and unvaxxed. The two are practically even.
September 20
Vaccinated:
Breakthrough Cases - 51,104
Hospitalizations of breakthrough cases - 1867 (3.65%)
Deaths of breakthrough cases - 441 (.86)
Unvaccinated (includes partially vaxxed and vaxxed <14 days)
***Cases - 767,625
Hospitalizations - 32,920 (4.29%)
Deaths - 8697 (1.13%)
Vaxxed are only .64% less likely to be hospitalized and .27% less likely to die.
For breakthrough cases
From September 7 to 20, vaccinated hospitalizations have increased from 3.52% to 3.65% (+.13%)
Deaths have increased from .69% to .86% (+.17%)
For unvaxxed cases (including partial vaxxed and vaxxed < 14 days)
Hospitalizations have increased from 4.22% to 4.29% (+.07%)
Deaths have increased from 1.08% to 1.13% (.05%)
***Data includes all cases from January 2. Vax rollout was April, and did not reach 50% until August.
Caveat - I do not trust the numbers because I believe the tests are faulty, but this shows that according to their numbers, the vaccines are not working.
Add in the side effects which are becoming more and more apparent, this is a complete and utter disaster.
Note that all cause of death is going up, but if just counting what they falsely term "Covid", deaths are flat throughout 3 rounds of damaging 'vaccinations'. So the vax is killing and being hidden as strokes, cardiac arrest, brain bleed, heart failure etc.
Absolute numbers seem to be an order of magnitude different between the two groups.
What are your conclusions if you normalize both groups by total number of cases and/or correct for percent of population in either group?
I ask this, because you seem to be saying that 1867 hospitalizations and 441 deaths of vaccinated people as a percentage of breakthrough cases (not total vaccinated) is “statistically” comparable to 33K hospitalizations and 8700 hundred deaths among unvaccinated.
That’s not good maths, logics, or conclusions unless I am missing something.
That’s interesting.
I explained the magnitude of numbers between the two groups. The data started in January 2, right in the middle of our largest wave. Vaccines did not roll out en masse until April, and only reached 50% in August. There were hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed cases before the vaccine was available. Therefore the total cases are not a good denominator because they skew heavily towards unvaxxed. That is why I am using total cases separated by each group as the denominator.
My interest was not in finding out how many people in each group got covid, but now they fared after getting covid because we have been told repeatedly that “the vax won’t protected you from covid but will protect you from hospitalization and death.”
You cannot normalize by total number of cases because of what I explained in the first paragraph. There were hundreds of thousands of cases before vaccines were even available. It is not a true picture.
Here is a chart to show our January - March cases, pre vax and you will see what I am talking about. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/georgia/
“hospitalizations and deaths based on GA dph data, vaxxed and unvaxxed. The two are practically even”
Can you give a link to that data?
It does not seem to match with what I have been seeing elsewhere and what the CDC has been reporting.
Is there any way to control for age and co-morbidities (e.g all the nursing home cases having been vaccinated, and almost none of the high school cases)?
https://dph.georgia.gov/document/document/covid-19-among-fully-vaccinated-people-graphic/download
There is some age/gender/race related data for the breakthrough cases there as well.
You will see they got their percentages by running the cases, hospitalizations and deaths by the TOTAL case numbers from Jan until Sept. I explained why this skews the results in my post #52
Boston.com lists the covid numbers for Massachusetts daily.
The vaccinated in hospital comprise one-third of patients. Has been that way for many days.
Perhaps you might consider adding that to your updates.
Did you see Singapore? Looks a lot like a Israel now:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/singapore/
82% vaccinated
“The vaccinated in hospital comprise one-third of patients.”
To control infection in hospitals, it is now common to test everyone being admitted for COVID. They then need to be isolated from non-infected patients, and separately managed (and billed to the Government).
Many people being admitted for other reasons, test positive for COVID - the difference between being in the hospital WITH COVID, or FOR COVID.
Can’t really tell from the aggregate number.
I. It’s have missed your explanation, and flipping back through the comment don’t see it, so please share.
Why compare unvaccinated hospitalization / deaths as a group with only breakthrough cases instead of the total vaccinated?
Adjust the case counts based on that. Shouldn’t be hard or complicated. But the percents you provided are like comparing apples to el caminos…
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