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2015: "The Insane Vaccine Debate"
The Federalist ^ | FEBRUARY 3, 2015 | Ben Domenech

Posted on 09/11/2021 9:46:42 AM PDT by Mr Rogers

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To: Mr Rogers

Well, he is married to Meaghan McCain. Enough said.


61 posted on 09/11/2021 11:37:45 AM PDT by hsmomx3
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To: cgbg

The fact remains, and is amplified on a daily basis, that the vaccines have only a spotty degree of success, nowhere near the “95% efficacy” that was claimed for them. In many instances, the vaccine does not successfully engender the immune response antibodies that have been claimed for this course of treatment. Add to that the sometimes serious side effects, not all of which are fully known as of yet, and you have a situation where “an abundance of caution” is definitely called for.


62 posted on 09/11/2021 11:37:58 AM PDT by alloysteel ( Poor people give rich people all their money anyway. Just as they have always done.)
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To: SuperLuminal
The Federalist ahs been in the pocket of the globalist elite for many years... Just take a look at how so badly many of their SCOTUS recommendations turned out...

You're confusing The Federalist online magazine with The Federalist Society an organization dedicated to preserving the Constitution.

63 posted on 09/11/2021 11:38:13 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: cgbg

If employees are compelled to take the jab or lose their jobs, and have an adverse reaction, or die...the companies will be sued...and unlike the vax makers I don’t think they are protected.


64 posted on 09/11/2021 11:39:25 AM PDT by DHerion
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To: Mr Rogers

“Insane”

“Look to Rome Judah” Masala

...Ben Hur


65 posted on 09/11/2021 11:43:37 AM PDT by Varsity Flight ( "War by the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18)
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To: fatman6502002

“vaccinations have always been about protecting the individual who got vaccinated”

I assure you, when the military gave me the anthrax vaccine (5 doses), they did so to protect ME. Not to protect the enemy who MIGHT use anthrax as a weapon!

We’ve reached Peak Insanity. Men can get pregnant. Women have penises. And vaccine are to protect the OTHER vaccinated people! And THEN these same people scream, “Follow the science, man!”


66 posted on 09/11/2021 11:46:45 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: cgbg

MEANWHILE-—Illegal invaders are pouring in from the South & the Middle East...

They have more diseases than we can even contemplate.

NO checking THEM....Just bitch about those of us here who know our own bodies & know we don’t need any such “VACCINATIONS” or endless BOOSTERS.


67 posted on 09/11/2021 11:55:34 AM PDT by ridesthemiles ( )
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To: vivenne

“Isn’t this the guy who is married to Megan McCain?”

Yes. Guess he’s saying what he needs to in order to hold on to Cindy McCain’s big bucks.


68 posted on 09/11/2021 12:00:00 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Mr Rogers

It’s not a vaccine. The vaccinated catch it and spread it too. It’s a treatment.


69 posted on 09/11/2021 12:12:18 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ( I'm Proud To Be An Okie From Muskogee)
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To: Sons of Union Vets

And outright government coercion.

My wife is terrified of these vaccines because she has dormant Epstein Barr disease and that puts her at risk for “long haul covid” triggered by the vaccine.

But her employer (hospital) is now requiring the vaccine thanks to Biden.
Plus she will need it to travel - which is important to her. She is effectively being coerced.

I am mostly retired, working from home, and I got my fill of traveling when I was younger and the world was a better and safer place to travel in.

So I can hold out - at least until they start requiring vaccine passports to go shopping. Even then I could get stuff delivered.

But I feel so badly for my wife being forced to make this choice - and for what? These vaccines don’t even work! If they worked, why would vaccinated people be so worried about us unvaccinated spreading it around?

I can’t believe this is happening in America. The founding fathers must be spinning in their graves.


70 posted on 09/11/2021 12:16:25 PM PDT by enumerated
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To: DugwayDuke

“Wouldn’t that also be an infringement on freedom? Or, will the ‘fully sheltered’ be volunteers?”

Yes, the “fully sheltered” would do so voluntarily (in MY view), but also, yes, the government agencies and the health care establishment should work together to provide such places to those for whom it is not possible to do so on their own.

60% of infections usually occur in the home - viral load + enclosed space + close contact + some period of time, yet what we (as a society, during this “pandemic”) never did was to make it more possible, than it is, for asymptomatic infected persons to go to “quarantine dormitories” (or some such), until either 14 days had passed or they developed symptoms serious enough to go to a hospital. No. People test positive, go home and while they wait to see if they get symptoms, when they do start to get symptoms they have often already infected one or more persons in their home, increasing the “case” counts;
whereas, if “quarantine” alternatives were available, with very minimum “nursing”/healthcare staff assistance, a good part of the “surges” could have been avoided.

Of the only cases in all my extended family, all relatives included, they all occurred after one household member tested positive, became ill, and infection and illness followed with other household members. None of them had isolated instances where just one in the household tested positive (whether already ill or not), that one “stayed home” and everyone else in the house remained unaffected. And yes, the illness for those who were infected was always harsh for the adults and next to nothing for the kids. In all cases the first one infected was one of the adults. If those initial positive infections in each household had been able to go somewhere else for 14 days, at least, their household would not have made the total contribution to the case count that they eventually did.

And yes, none had comorbidity factors and like more than 90% of the population the experience was not fatal.

Interestingly, of all the 80+ year old persons I know, including two relatives, likely due to lack of comorbidity factors, none who got a Covid19 illness had a severe case. One was hospitalized briefly only to help compensate for dehydration due to three days of diarrhea.


71 posted on 09/11/2021 1:10:57 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: DJ MacWoW

“ You mean all this time when they’ve been yelling “Follow the science!” they meant political science?”

Oh, that’s perfect !


72 posted on 09/11/2021 1:33:04 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: cgbg

True, but, these sort of decisions should not be made based on polls and PAC’s.


73 posted on 09/11/2021 1:34:55 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: mac_truck

Whoops!😔


74 posted on 09/11/2021 1:51:45 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another Sam Adams now that we desperately need him?)
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To: Wuli

Have you read the Great Barrington Declaration?
Here’s one article:
https://gbdeclaration.org/


75 posted on 09/11/2021 2:12:19 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Jan_Sobieski wrote: “Of course Quisling. Freedom demands it.”

Try thinking for a change.


76 posted on 09/11/2021 2:13:34 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: DugwayDuke

Yes. That article is a good piece, and I support its general opinion.

I also think it is not smart to not offer the Covid19 positive infected persons no where but their own home - and thereby their mixing in an enclosed setting with their families - no place else to “shelter” while their infection passes; and some in their household might be exactly among the most vulnerable with comorbidity factors. We know who the truly vulnerable are and it does not seem smart to knowingly make the situation riskier for them, just because we want to develop herd immunity most of all.


77 posted on 09/11/2021 2:44:11 PM PDT by Wuli
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