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India's Ivermectin Blackout: News of India's defeat of the Delta variant should be common knowledge. Yet, for some reason, we are not allowed to talk about it.
The Desert Review ^ | 08/11/2021 | Justus R. Hope, MD

Posted on 08/11/2021 7:51:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

Wow, where can WE buy that!


21 posted on 08/11/2021 9:31:57 AM PDT by ducttape45 ("Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34)
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To: Karl Spooner

Sickening.


22 posted on 08/11/2021 9:32:17 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: TangoLimaSierra

A dewormer? What if we don’t have worms?!?!? :-))


23 posted on 08/11/2021 9:34:12 AM PDT by ducttape45 ("Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34)
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To: SeekAndFind

A prominent freeper who desperately asked for help here first of July when her entire family was struck with Covid and were quite ill tried Ivermectin

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3974843/posts

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3982676/posts

It did not work

She died last week from Covid

The way some posters treated her here was THE WORST BEHAVIOR IVE SEEN HERE IN 21 years

and that is saying something isn’t it...

It’s chilling to read her pleas

And now she’s gone

Just awful how way too many Freepers are in real life.....jackasses.....sour sniping scolds....so what if their politics are somewhat right...really

There is pretty much bullshit on Covid at every angle...


24 posted on 08/11/2021 9:39:25 AM PDT by wardaddy (Girls...in the end ....it's about them )
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To: Political Junkie Too

U can buy it at tractor supply or online

Does it work

Well I just posted where if did nothing for the freeper who just died from Covid

I’m ultra high risk

Pacemaker

Pulmonary scar tissue bad

Cardio crap

Old

I took malaria protocol hydroxchloroquine as a prophylaxis

I took it malaria therapeutic when my whole family got it from Kali

I was mildly ill two days with extreme mucous

I also took Zithromax and zinc elixir ...the latter awful

It worked for me..my antibodies 17 months later are 18 times negative range

But I don’t know that it’s a cure all

It seems the monoclated antibodies are the best bet...

Which is what terart ..RIP...was trying desperately to get and hospital protocol kept putting up roadblocks


25 posted on 08/11/2021 9:45:33 AM PDT by wardaddy (Girls...in the end ....it's about them )
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To: wardaddy

hard to sort through the noise there, but the standout feature is ivermectin is seen as best as a prophylactic/very early replication inhibitor. it sounds like that poster was taking the prophylactic protocol despite knowing they had the disease.

once it gets into lower respiratory, it isn’t going to help.

i travel and i certainly take the prophylactic protocol, but I know if I do catch it and do get into more serious symptoms, following the Ivm. protocol ceases to matter, and it is time to have Plan B (which hopefully includes an MD will will rx something other than bed rest and tylenol)l


26 posted on 08/11/2021 10:06:17 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: wardaddy

also my take is there is perception that delta replication rate is higher; this may render existing ivm prophylactic protocol less effective as well.

bad bad deal by any measurement.


27 posted on 08/11/2021 10:07:45 AM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: wardaddy
She was in my thoughts when I wrote that screed.

People should have the right to try to trust their own genetics to be asymptomatic, and if that fails then they should have access to therapeutics to treat the virus.

Vaccination is not the only path forward for the normally healthy.

-PJ

28 posted on 08/11/2021 10:07:54 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (* LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: wardaddy

A prominent freeper who desperately asked for help here first of July when her entire family was struck with Covid and were quite ill tried Ivermectin.

That is anecdotal, one case. However, the medical community is killing thousands with their current early treatment. Which is nothing. Go home, if you feel your on the brink of death come back.

There should be an Operation Warp Speed for therapeutics. How in the hell can there be no treatment a year-and-a-half later?

COVID killed a young friend (30 years old) Sunday. He died at home with no treatment. Another weightlifter friend looks like an 80 year old man (walking pneumonia), no treatment. Just go home and heal. Return if you think you’re dying.

This is the best medial science has to offer? And finally yes, I wish we were more respectful and agued our cases without getting personal.


29 posted on 08/11/2021 10:29:59 AM PDT by BushCountry (thinks he needs a gal whose name doesn't end in ".jpg")
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To: ducttape45
A dewormer? What if we don’t have worms?!?!? :-))

Then it'll kill you. Make sure you have worms first.

30 posted on 08/11/2021 10:51:31 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the left, truth is right-wing extremism.⭐⭐)
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To: BushCountry

I posted this earlier somewhere

Need some input concerning using Ivermectin
8/10/2021, 10:37:47 AM · 252 of 259
wardaddy to Responsibility2nd; Mom MD; Pelham; gas_dr
Lordy

I just saw this....how sad

Failed by everyone except two docs on this forum who gave her supportive replies

Why does it kill decent people and some old asshole like me with bad heart and pacemaker and scarred lungs running 60% it’s a like a mild two day cold

I don’t understand it....I took several tropical regimens of plaquenil and zpaks

I can’t say that’s why definitively ....good relatively healthy folks do die from it

That’s what makes it scary

The axis or intersection as they say today....of politics and tech and media and science and some medical lefties have literally resulted in folks dying who may have lived

The monoclated (sic) antibodies treatment advocated here may have made a difference

This is just so heart rending...poor woman desperate for her son and it kills her

Damn


31 posted on 08/11/2021 11:11:12 AM PDT by wardaddy (Girls...in the end ....it's about them )
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To: Political Junkie Too

Plus one


32 posted on 08/11/2021 11:12:28 AM PDT by wardaddy (Girls...in the end ....it's about them )
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To: WoofDog123

It does seem more serious covid is two phase

It is certainly no hoax


33 posted on 08/11/2021 11:13:46 AM PDT by wardaddy (Girls...in the end ....it's about them )
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To: wardaddy

The medical websites I’ve been reading indicate that MABs like bamlanivimab will not be administered when blood oxygen is too low. That’s a consistent policy among them. They say that MABs “may be” associated with worse outcomes for covid patients who require oxygen or who are hospitalized. I recall terart posting that she was denied a med because her O2 needed to be 95%. She was in a tough spot but I’m not sure that there was any malpractice involved.


34 posted on 08/11/2021 12:35:42 PM PDT by Pelham (No more words, now we fight)
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To: WoofDog123; wardaddy

“but the standout feature is ivermectin is seen as best as a prophylactic/very early replication inhibitor.”

HCQ + zinc has prophylactic effect, interfering with replication of the virus. At least if you can catch it early.

But it looks to me like ivermectin is being used differently, as an immune suppressor to fight the hyperinflammatory cytokine storms that cause severe covid. I think that prednisone is used for the same purpose and may be the preferred drug.


35 posted on 08/11/2021 12:55:15 PM PDT by Pelham (No more words, now we fight)
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To: BushCountry

“There should be an Operation Warp Speed for therapeutics. How in the hell can there be no treatment a year-and-a-half later?”

Considering that a good portion of the world’s population is using Ivermectin and considering that there is no ‘approved’ early treatment that it would displace, it would seem to make sense to give it some serious trails...but funny that seems to NEVER happen. Just little 3rd World trials. For one to NOT be asking a lot of questions regarding what’s going on here would disturb me.


36 posted on 08/11/2021 3:50:33 PM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I see the writer has dropped the comparison between Delhi and Tamil Nadu which he had written about in dramatic language back in May/June timeframe. I wonder if that’s because the comparison played out in a way that doesn’t support his perspective as strongly as it once seemed to.

Instead he now wants to focus on Uttar Pradesh. The problem with UP is that it’s huge (India’s most populous of 33 states), poor (India’s second poorest), and rural (the sixth most rural). Frankly I don’t trust UP’s data like I do that of Delhi and TN, both of which are relatively wealthy and urban. And to compare UP with the United States is really pushing it. Does it seem credible that UP with population 240 million has only 3 deaths/day? It wouldn’t surprise me if this number were off by orders of magnitude due to poor data collection.

The writer does mention Tamil Nadu in this article but his discussion of it isn’t fair in my opinion. He condemned TN back in June when its deaths were peaking, but then when they started dropping and fell 95% he never acknowledged it. In this article he describes TN’s current cases/deaths of around 2000/30 in a population of 77 million as “ravaging” the populace. Does that seem like a fair characterization?

Bottom line for me is I think this writer is too wedded to his pro-Ivermectin perspective. At this point I consider him interesting but unreliable.


37 posted on 08/12/2021 8:57:46 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick

So, bottom line... you’re saying that whether or not a city or state distributes Ivermectin, the results will be the same?

Better to just do nothing like Tamil Nadu did and ride off the Delta wave?

BTW, on what basis do you say that the Health Authorities in Uttar Pradesh are less reliable in their data collection than Delhi and Tamil Nadu?

The argument you seem to be presenting sounds like this - because a state is poorer and predominantly rural, therefore the Health Authorities do not accurately collect Covid data compared to the urban areas.... I’m not sure we can make this a general principle to accept.


38 posted on 08/12/2021 9:16:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Yardstick

BTW, Data Analyst Juan Chamie also took your skeptical take into account regarding India in this discussion with Dr. Mobeen Syed in his channel:

https://youtu.be/aw9bkHnQnY4

Very interesting discussion.

If you don’t have time for the whole thing...

Start around 26:00 on the comparison of Israel and India to see the effect of vaccination vs ivermectin on the spread of the Wuhan virus (SARS-CoV-2).

Upon taking a deep dive on the data, he comes up with a different conclusion regard the effects of Ivermectin.


39 posted on 08/12/2021 9:21:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

No, I’m saying that I’m skeptical that Ivermectin has had as much impact in India as the writer asserts. I’m not saying that IVM does nothing or that it should be avoided. I just suspect it does substantially less than its strongest advocates insist and should not be seen as an end all solution. What concerns me is that guys like the writer may be feeding a misconception that Ivermectin is a slam dunk when it’s not.

Yes, my “basis” for being wary of the UP data is indeed that it’s a huge, poor, and rural state and likely has a medical system that is thin on the ground with relatively poor data collection capability. To me this seems like a reasonable assumption.


40 posted on 08/12/2021 9:58:29 AM PDT by Yardstick
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