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Does the AMA limit the number of doctors to increase current doctors' salaries?
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Posted on 08/01/2021 6:29:06 PM PDT by Kevmo

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To: gas_dr

I don’t know what the Morgan & Morgan definition of malpractice is. For purposes of our further discussion, you should post a link to a definition of malpractice we can agree on.

I do not think a pure market is possible. I think there should simply be more market force present, to the point that only half of the qualified applicants get turned away from med school. Trump had some interesting ideas on lowering prescription costs. There are a few simple things that can be done but the AMA is definitely in the way.

One thing the AMA shoulda been doing all along is hire kickass lawyers to defend doctors. But there’s no money in it for them, so they don’t do it.


41 posted on 08/01/2021 8:29:20 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: Regulator

importing eager foreigners of questionable quality.
***There are plenty of homegrown Americans who can provide questionable quality.


42 posted on 08/01/2021 8:31:43 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: Regulator

Saba school grads
***Please define and elaborate


43 posted on 08/01/2021 8:34:14 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: Mom MD

Then at the very least, the issue of needing more physicians would be addressed.


44 posted on 08/01/2021 8:36:30 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: ncalburt

True that the vast majority of MD’s recognize that The AMA is a leftist organization, and want nothing to do with it.

What is never discussed is that the leftist agenda has made women the majority of medical graduates.

“The AAMC’s annual report on medical school enrollment showed that 2019 marked the first time that the majority of U.S. medical school students (50.5%) were women. As the increasing numbers of female medical students graduate, the percentage of female physicians in the workforce should rise even more.”

“Male physicians worked more hours per week (50.9 versus 43.7) and more weeks per year (47.1 versus 45.9)”

“Female physicians provided fewer clinical services than male physicians did and retired 5 years earlier.”

Mandated gender equality in medical school admissions has created, or at least exacerbated, the physician manpower shortage.


45 posted on 08/01/2021 8:37:19 PM PDT by daifu
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To: Kevmo

aim all for more american trained physicians. The other problem that needs to be fought is the wokeness of the medical schools. They are now for the most part preferring diversity and “ nontraditional” students over the beef and most qualified applicants. My daughter who is a beautiful classically trained ballerina who danced on scholarship through college, graduated summa cum laude from an excellent university and had outstanding MCAT scores barely got an interview at her home state med school. She ended up at a private midwestern medical school and received excellent training but at 80k/yr she now has > 200k debt on a residents salary. Quality is going to be a huge issue with the social experimentation med schools are currently engaged in


46 posted on 08/01/2021 8:45:11 PM PDT by Mom MD ( )
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To: Kevmo

“There are plenty of homegrown Americans who can provide questionable quality”

Wait, didn’t you just say we need to get to a 2:1 acceptance ratio vs the current 8:1??

:^)

You gotta get consistent here...

Of course we have less then stellar people trying to get into the medical field at a level above their actual qualifications, but as a starter, the language difference alone is an issue that leads to problems for ordinary patients.

My own experience with actual docs in foreign lands has not been bad. My impression is that most of the best docs stay in their own country, and only the opportunists head to the US.


47 posted on 08/01/2021 8:47:38 PM PDT by Regulator (It's Fraud, Jim)
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To: Kevmo
Milton Friedman considered this very question six decades ago.
48 posted on 08/01/2021 8:47:53 PM PDT by budj (Combat vet, 2nd of three generations.)
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To: Kevmo

It’s a Caribbean med school and I’m being a bit snarky because it actually has a great graduation/residency placement rate in the US. In fact, my exposure to some of those grads is what led me to realize that a free market solution in this country was being ignored.


49 posted on 08/01/2021 8:49:29 PM PDT by Regulator (It's Fraud, Jim)
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To: budj

Excellent.

Milton Friedman warned back in 1961 that the American Medical Association was a government-sanctioned guild or trade cartel that would raise health care costs and diminish quality. Today, most economists agree with him. That’s because the costs of AMA’s aggressive tactics to keep physician wages up by, among other things, imposing onerous licensure rules, capping the number of new doctors, and harassing nurses, midwives etc. who can treat certain routine conditions more cheaply than doctors have become painfully obvious....


50 posted on 08/01/2021 8:53:43 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: Regulator

I don’t understand where the criticism of consistency is. I’m an AmericaFirster Trumplican, and I think having more medscchools and more doctors from America will be good for America.


51 posted on 08/01/2021 8:55:21 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: Mom MD

The military has an expression: Quantity has a quality of its own.


52 posted on 08/01/2021 8:56:30 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: Kevmo

Yes...I can see in context that you’re saying if we gotta have so-so docs, we don’t need to go the extent of importing them! Might as well be our guys...

So you’re being a bit cheeky too...


53 posted on 08/01/2021 8:59:21 PM PDT by Regulator (It's Fraud, Jim)
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To: Regulator

No need to import people when we have people here willing to do that job.


54 posted on 08/01/2021 9:00:07 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: Kevmo

bmk


55 posted on 08/02/2021 2:58:06 AM PDT by gattaca ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." Ronald Reagan)
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To: marktwain

Insurance companies are SELF regulated INVESTMENT companies.
Lobbied


56 posted on 08/02/2021 3:02:55 AM PDT by Varsity Flight ( "War by the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18)
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To: Kevmo

fair point


57 posted on 08/02/2021 5:19:02 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: Kevmo

The bottleneck is mainly at the medical education level, including residencies. But the bottom line is that we have too few doctors. We have fewer per capita than most of the developed world. Yet we should have more given the high demand there is for healthcare in this country.


58 posted on 08/02/2021 6:19:24 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
Higher demand for health care and plenty of desire to get in, with an 8:1 rejection ratio of QUALIFIED applicants to med schools.


59 posted on 08/02/2021 6:59:02 AM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 600 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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