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UFOs are (probably) not secret Chinese spy planes
The Hill ^ | MARIK VON RENNENKAMPFF

Posted on 06/08/2021 10:16:18 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

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To: RoosterRedux

They are our craft and they are messing with US Navy to see how militaries react in real world.


61 posted on 06/08/2021 11:35:31 AM PDT by setter
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To: Gen.Blather

All of them?


62 posted on 06/08/2021 11:39:35 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing obamacare is worse than obamacare itself)
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To: ScubaDiver

“Those graphics on the bottom and the sides of the MFD tell the pilot”

Exactly. They tell the PILOT, not random people viewing the video on youtube and then spouting “it moved in ways that aren’t supposed to be possible!”

But you are also neglecting to take into account that exactly the point where people claim the objects are moving in ways that are unexpected is when target locks are lost, so the data you refer to is actually missing for those key segments.


63 posted on 06/08/2021 11:39:42 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Eddie01

We’re pointing those cameras in the wrong direction I guess.


64 posted on 06/08/2021 11:40:47 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Gen.Blather
" I guarantee all of these sightings are US aircraft flying to, actually in, or returning from test ranges."
Do we have 'test ranges' in the Indian Ocean, Arabian Gulf and Gulf of Oman? Do we have test ranges 100-miles off the coast of the Mexican coastal town of Ensenada?

These are just a few of the locations US navy pilots and surface ships have tracked these objects, sometimes for weeks at a time.

"When pilots see something so oddly shaped, they immediately report that it defies the laws of physics."

Lolz.

In the 2004 Nimitz encounter, the COOL from the USS Princeton interrupted the train-ex of F/A-18s that had just come aboard the Nimiz for the first time in the training cruise. They wanted the first available sortie - coincidentally commanded by the Squadron Commander, a Top Gun graduate with almost 20-years experience - to investigate objects that the Princeton was tacking for almost two-weeks prior to the air wing joining the Nimitz. These object would hover at FL800 (80K feet, space essentially) and drop to the surface just over the ocean in seconds and then hover again, sometimes for an hour or more. It wasn't the pilot who saw the object first and couldn't explain it. Instead, it was one of the most advanced missile cruisers this country ever built that couldn't believe the radar tracks it was getting.

The US doesn't test highly secretive, experimental aircraft in international waters, during carrier training ops or in - wait for it - combat zones during a hot war. Instead, they test them at Groom Lake and Edwards.

65 posted on 06/08/2021 11:41:08 AM PDT by ScubaDiver (Reddit refugee.)
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To: Chode

You’re right - if they didn’t steal the technology from us who did they steal it from? (which makes me pretty sure it’s NOT the Chinese)


66 posted on 06/08/2021 11:41:30 AM PDT by GOPJ (SYSTEMIC. DEMOCRAT. VOTER. FRAUD. (SDVF) IS AN ATTACK ON OUR DEMOCRACY)
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To: no-to-illegals

Well, if time doesn’t exist, then nothing could be said to precede anything. So space can’t exist “before” time, since there would be no concept of “before” without time already being in existence.


67 posted on 06/08/2021 11:43:28 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: GOPJ

100%

that is being put out there for a reason, i’m not sue why


68 posted on 06/08/2021 11:45:28 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. P144:1)
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To: ScubaDiver

“The US doesn’t test highly secretive, experimental aircraft in international waters, during carrier training ops or in - wait for it - combat zones during a hot war.”

I suppose we should assume that the US government makes sure that you are personally aware of every “highly secretive” thing it does.


69 posted on 06/08/2021 11:45:45 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: ScubaDiver

You’re right...


70 posted on 06/08/2021 11:46:52 AM PDT by GOPJ (SYSTEMIC. DEMOCRAT. VOTER. FRAUD. (SDVF) IS AN ATTACK ON OUR DEMOCRACY)
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To: cuban leaf
Before anyone gets too excited, please watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McVqKmUaaok

Great resource. I was a lot like this guy when i was younger but now I have seen zero evidence of anything that could be considered "alien". This video gives clear explanations.

71 posted on 06/08/2021 11:50:01 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: RoosterRedux

There is an unstated premise throughout these articles and all through popular culture that should be questioned: that some government developed these craft or otherwise knows their origin. This premise is absurd.
The government buys research from private companies or individuals for the most part, right? A private company develops the next generation fighter jet according to specifications of the government. I can imagine at least a few scenarios where private individuals would develop their own technology for their own purposes and not share it with government. Any government. Maybe they would make more money with less scrutiny by doing their own thing. Maybe more power. Maybe they hate government and don’t want to see government use their technology to oppress. As they do.
Maybe they want to use their technology to insulate themselves from others to advance a society of their choosing. A breakaway civilization, if you will. This I think is likely.
I utterly reject the notion that government is the end all of technology. The alien theory is absurd as well and is a result of propaganda driven pop culture.
Also, laws of physics seems to me to be an archaic term. Clearly. There are some pliable laws for sure. Lots of wiggle room.


72 posted on 06/08/2021 11:55:57 AM PDT by 2big2fail (.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Of course they are, or maybe ours too.


73 posted on 06/08/2021 11:57:13 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: RoosterRedux

and their bridges don’t collapse and kill hundreds of people


74 posted on 06/08/2021 11:59:38 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: Boogieman
I don't know if civilians simply don't understand how the US military works or - perhaps more problematically - if their only understanding of how the US military works is based entirely upon Spielberg and Michael Bay movies.

We have 'test ranges' for two reasons: The first reason is we don't want to test the shiny new toys in the spying eyes of our enemies. The second reason - and it's really the first reason - is we don't test experimental aircraft in places that could pose a hazard to people on the ground or other aviators because experimental aircraft have a nasty habit of - get this - crashing. Imagine what would happen if during the 2004 incident, our 'super secret experimental aircraft' collided with one the F/A-18 because they didn't want to tell the navy that the same exact spot they were going to be running flight ops they were also going to be testing the new aircraft that can defy the laws of physics as they're currently understood.

That is why we don't test aircraft over international waters in airspace that is uncontrolled and/or in flight altitudes that are commonly used by civilian aircraft and military aircraft alike.

75 posted on 06/08/2021 12:01:29 PM PDT by ScubaDiver (Reddit refugee.)
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To: ScubaDiver

Are you trying to claim that we only ever fly classified aircraft on test ranges until they have been disclosed to the public?

Because you know, of course, that claim is completely untrue and provably so, from declassified public records.


76 posted on 06/08/2021 12:08:16 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Eddie01

Obviously you are not well versed in photography beyond cell phone images. There are different cameras for different purposes other than personal use.

Military camera are aids in killing and blowing up things, astronomical cameras are for taking images at vast distances - neither of those cameras can do the other’s job and neither are designed to take images of hot chicks.


77 posted on 06/08/2021 12:08:30 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Boogieman

No. I said we never fly experimental aircraft in open space. That doesn’t happen. Ever.


78 posted on 06/08/2021 12:23:31 PM PDT by ScubaDiver (Reddit refugee.)
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To: ScubaDiver

Who says they are experimental? Classified doesn’t necessary equal experimental.


79 posted on 06/08/2021 12:46:15 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: RoosterRedux

The Chinese Communist Party can’t make they just copy


80 posted on 06/08/2021 12:53:51 PM PDT by butlerweave
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