Posted on 06/07/2021 9:09:26 PM PDT by familyop
Come on folks, grow up.
The insults and name calling on all sides is something.
Why are people so triggered if someone makes a decision on vaccination that is different from their own?
I realize when I post that there will be no convincing those whose mind is made up, usually the poster I’m replying to.
However, there are a lot of people who read and never comment and whose minds are not brainwashed and closed, who are open to actually being willing to consider other points of view and they at
re the ones who need to hear and can benefit from it.
Yes.
Those we argue with are inconsequential. They are the Washington Generals, just like I told David Chase he is. Props for us to pummel with the truth. Like those plastic clown punching bags.
Training dummies for the undecided lurkers, who think for themselves.
This is why we dance, like the dancing bears that we are.
For them. For Gramaw. For the children. And for America.
Do you believe that someone who is willing to consider other points of view (to not be vaccinated) and then makes a decision using their best judgement and data applicable to their circumstances to get vaccinated is brainwashed?
Bagster: "Pick meeeee"!!!!
Fury: *sigh* "Yes, Bagster".
Baster: "The answer is yes, Mister Fury".
Fury: *shakes head* "See me after class".
The curve is identical up and down despite ivermectin. It would be left shifted if it worked. The data are against your hypothesis.
The reason that I have not commented until drafted into this. I am neither close minded nor a cutler. You know as well as anyone else I have admitted where I have learned i have altered practice appropriately where is is called for and practiced evidence based medicine.
In still do. I have been attacked viscerally by those on your side. I have been called a fraud. A kook. My credentials have been outright questions and my schedule has been called into question. All of which are inappropriate. Sometime I react with anger excuses the attacks are unjust and there is clear and convincing data against what has been said by the other side.
I like you bagster. You make me laugh and poke in the right places that allow me to question my knowledge and add to change or not to change based on the data I see. You are also not viscerally attacking me and your memes are damn funny. It’s ok to be a happy warrior for your position. And we can even agree to disagree.
I agree with met mom there are many who don’t comment. I have received a zillion private replies stating people have appreciated my analysis and been vaccinated.
I will endeavor to present the data in a fair manner each day. But o assure you I am not a clown that bounces back. Your so called metmom army doesn’t seem to analyze contrarian data. Just reject it if hand. But rigorous look at not only what the data are but the context of it is neither personal nor not scientific. It is exactly how data are analyzed.
The noise has been ratcheted up to the point of no return. It is hard to see a reasonable thread hijacked by personal attacks. I believe we are better than that. I am trying not to react emotionally anymore when oersonally attacked. I call on the other side to do the same.
You can still send me memes. They make me laugh.
Have a pleasant day.
No, I didn’t say that.
But those who mock, deride, and try to discredit any voices of concern that counter the party line, no matter what their credentials are.
Just look at how some licensed medical professionals who dare to speak up are vilified here on FR and you will see the brainwashed ones.
Another easier way is to see who is shilling for the government and big pharma.
Thanks. Didn’t say you did.
Whatever someone decides to do in regards to vaccination, FReepers should respect that decision. Most do, some don’t, and some are pretty nasty about it. Unfortunate.
Does is bother you that I'm a way better writer than you when you're some big time doctor and I'm must some guy?
See, I've always thought that you could gauge a man's intelligence by their written (or spoken) word. So that's what I do. I can tell the really smart ones (ex: ransomnote, grey whiskers, jane long, cathi) on FR from the really dumb ones (ex: Mrs Mith, 'Cruise Guy'). I weigh their comments with those evaluations in mind and respond accordingly.
I would think you would be a better writer, being a doctor, and all. I always thought doctors were among the most intelligent of students, and it required that to become a doctor.
As I grew older, I discovered that sometimes (many times) people are in positions which one would think required certain innate skills, like intelligence, and they just ain't that smart.
Sometimes all it requires is good attendance, the ability to regurgitate for tests, some ass-kissing ability, perseverance, and time.
Next thing you know *BLAM* you're a Doctor. I saw that a lot in my job. Some of the dumbest, least-skilled, even dangerous people got promoted. Over ME, if you can bleedat. The NERVE, right?
Anyway. I could be wrong. Maybe geniuses just never had to work on their writing skills. Maybe its related to Doctor's writing style. Writing like a cat took a crap on the paper and which no normal human being could read. That's a cliche for a reason, I think.
Could be a sign of them 'not giving a f', or something. Thoughts?
Okay, on to the meat of your post. You deserve my response.
As you know, I am a well decorated and esteemed student of human behavior, having received my PHD in Human Behavior, Psychology, and Group Dynamics from the University of Life.
In that light, I will give a brief evaluation of gas_dr.
You are a worthy opponent. You are a top tier 'fighter' (but not elite and with many weaknesses), because you have a combination of technical knowledge of the subject, and the ability to be human and explain in terms both understandable (at times), when you dumb yourself down and speak in layman's terms.
Many people tune out with too many numbers, stats, percentages, charts, graphs, etc. You seem able to do both, to an extent.
And you are also able to (try to) defend yourself against the berzerkers by berzerking back. This is not always a bad thing, when done correctly, which you don't always do. I have been attacked viscerally by those on your side. I have been called a fraud. A kook. My credentials have been outright questions and my schedule has been called into question. All of which are inappropriate.
Welcome to my world. Welcome to Ransomnote's world. Try being a 'Qtard' on FreeRepublic.com. It ain't for the meek at heart, I'll tell ya. Lucky for me, my upbringing and even more, my career prepared me for the rough and tumble world of insults and 'name-calling'.
Verbal judo (or gung fu, as I call it) was developed and refined, and I became a Bag-tzu master of many styles. I can see where a Doctor, having grown up in long years of a school environment, then shuffled off straight to the medical 'community' would not have a chance to develop such skills.
So I can understand how you would think this level of discourse is 'inappropriate'.
Because I like you, Gassie, and despite our huge differences on this subject, I will help you out with this lacking.
Use me as a learning experience (this goes for all of FR too. I would like to see us develop in this area as a group and storm the internet one day. We deserve to rule).
Do as I do, and say as I say. Mix your 'grown up voice' with your 'street voice'. Keep your opponents off balance. NEVER go on (personal) defense. When you are on defense, you have already lost.
Insult when necessary, but with a smile and a laugh. Seek to get the audience to laugh with you and at your opponent. Alinsky was right, in that. Ridicule is impossible to defend and enrages your opponent and causes him tp make mistakes, which you can further exploit. This stuff ain't as easy as I make it look. It took years of training.
And above all else, don't let them get you mad. Think of it as a strategic game. People that get mad at a game are flawed from the git and shouldn't even be playing.
So, yea. Let Bagster be your template for future success. But remember one thing. Like a good master, I won't teach you all my tricks, and you will never, ever defeat me (thisw too goes for all of FR and the entire internet, for thta matter).
Also. Welcome to the internet. Its not the physician's lounge, amirite? There's all kindsa animals runnin' 'round out here, in this jungle that Algore gave us.
I am neither close minded nor a cutler.
What's a 'cutler', precious? A typo, or is that a thing? Maybe a Doctory thing?
If you have altered your practice based on new evidence, why haven't you morphed on HCQ/Ivermectin? The evidence seems overwhelming to me. And more comes out daily.
It’s ok to be a happy warrior for your position.
Yea. That's the only way to be. I was always that, in real life. If you let the ugly get you down, and you lose your sense of humor, then you are lost, and its hard to be a good man after that, or do the right thing.
I agree with met mom there are many who don’t comment. I have received a zillion(a zillion?) private replies stating people have appreciated my analysis and been vaccinated.
I'm sure you have. You have lots of good information and you present it well, most of the time. There are a lot of people who look up to and admire doctors as if they are special human beings, gods even. Its how some of you develop 'God complexes', which are a real thing, I think you'll agree.
I think you may have a touch of that in you. I can sense it from your writing. Its why I went after that, with you. Remember the Caesar memes? And I know you thought about it, cause you're a smart fella, and not a bad guy.
I'd watch out for that, were I you. Don't wanna take it too far and end up Alec Baldwin. Be like my Kidney Dr. He knows how to be a Doctor.
So yes, you will get fan mail and ass-kissery from the peanut gallery. Everybody wants to get close to a doctor. Remember Junior Soprano and Doctor Kennedy? Remember the look on Junior's face when Tony bullied the Doc into paying special attention to JUnvle June? That.
Your so called metmom army doesn’t seem to analyze contrarian data. Just reject it if hand.
You may be surprised to know, I personally look at all you guys' stuff. Not in the greatest of detail always, there is just not enough time, but usually enough to get the general gist. I think in very simple terms, intentionally. Too many details often obscure and confuse the truth, but I'm good with the overall picture.
I do take into consideration you peoples' arguments. I am not the smartest anti-vaxxer Qook in town, so if I do that process, I'm very sure the smarter, more knowledgeable people do, and more so.
You need to learn to give people more credit. Doctors can be so arrogant as to assume other people aren't as 'smart' or capable as they are. Why that is, I can't say. I find it ridiculous and a flaw.
And that goes not just for doctors. I see that with a lot of so-called 'smart' people. They think they're the only smart ones.
Anyway. Give us some credit for having a brain. Not everybody does, of course. There's plenty of dummies on 'my side' too. I may even be one of them. I am very cocky.
The noise has been ratcheted up to the point of no return.
Yea, well. It is what it is. Part of the problem is this subject is so very serious. Both sides (to be extreme) believe this stuff could affect the future of humanity, and most certainly this country and the world. I do. I believe this is just a part of the overall struggle for domination of the world currently underway, and it is at a decisive moment.
If my side is anything like me (and I know some are), they see your side as aiding and abetting the enemy's overall strategy, though you are unaware and innocently assisting them.
Your side sees us as unreasonable, to the point of psychosis because you don't understand why we could possibly stand in the way of the miracle vax that will save all humanity.
We give your our reasons, but you don't hear them.
And we don't understand why you can't see what's happening and go blindly into that good night with a smile on your face and a scowl on your lips.
We believe you should be with us, and you believe we should be with you. And both sides think the other side is dangerous. To all humanity.
Serious stuff.
It is hard to see a reasonable thread hijacked by personal attacks.
Your threads get invaded. Our threads get invaded. Its just one big conversation. Look at it like that. with mostly the same cast of characters. It just is what is just is.
I believe we are better than that.
I bet you believed Paul Lynd and Liberace weren't homos, too? No. We aren't better than that. You are thinking of a world that you WANT to exist, not the one that does exist. The earth is full of ugly. Better to get used to it, and learn to live in it. And win.
I am trying not to react emotionally anymore when oersonally attacked.
We have addressed that. The only way to change it, is to change your reaction to it. You are in control. Be in control.
I call on the other side to do the same.
Have your people call my people. Hahaha.
(I get to be Josey Wales in this scenario, sorry chief)
You can still send me memes. They make me laugh.
I'm very pleased you enjoy my memes. They are a very strong gung fu style and are meant to cause laughter. And to make people think. There is often more than one meaning to them, which only the most clever will ascertain.
Way too long, I know. Oopsie.
How many times can you say the same thing a different way, Mom.
It's starting to be obnoxious.
With all due respect.
Yup. As I stated to bagster privately, I misused the word ‘will’.
This week I’m just tired. Exhausted, mentally. The fact of the matter is that it’s a bit of a health compromise to constantly stay in ‘the groove’.
I’m overdue for a break, but not ‘going dark’...
A beautiful and excellent response
I am not like most other doctors. I have never pretended to be god. On most days I teach my residents and fellow never been so sure of yourself. Medicine humbles you quickly.
I am a far better writer than you see here. Most of it is on the fly and with the problem of small phone fat fingers. I will try to deliver better writing at my desktop.
I will address more later but I respect your well thought out post.
And you can still make fun of me.
Even with great memes
I seldom require permission, but I appreciate it.
: )
Completely understandable.
We all get battle fatigue.
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