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Arizona prepares to execute prisoners with Zyklon B, the same lethal gas Nazis used at Auschwitz
National Post ^ | June 3, 2021 | Meryl Kornfield, Washington Post

Posted on 06/03/2021 8:25:01 AM PDT by rickmichaels

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To: P-Marlowe

On the cheap, with top dollar premium seating at the junk yard right before it heads into the crusher.

Perfect glitz and atmosphere. Most appropriate.


61 posted on 06/03/2021 10:44:18 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Get off your ass and earn it!)
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To: rickmichaels

I just want them to intensely hurt like their victims until they die.

If this helps with that, good.


62 posted on 06/03/2021 10:49:29 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: rickmichaels

A bullet to the head is cheaper, but then the media would claim the Nazis used that method too. In reality, every form of execution, other than beheading was used by the Nazis. Maybe we ought to start guillotining these pieces of $hit.


63 posted on 06/03/2021 10:54:08 AM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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To: hardspunned
"I didn’t read the entire article. If they don’t like gas are they advocating hanging or firing squad?"

They could just do what the Nazis did, and beat, kick, harass, and abuse the prisoners every day, until they commit suicide.

64 posted on 06/03/2021 10:55:43 AM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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To: mass55th

“They could just do what the Nazis did, and beat, kick, harass, and abuse the prisoners every day, until they commit suicide.”

Sounds like DC’s current plan for you and me.


65 posted on 06/03/2021 11:04:17 AM PDT by hardspunned (former GOP globalist stooge)
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To: hardspunned
"Sounds like DC’s current plan for you and me."

You're right. Hadn't thought of that when I wrote it. It's standard operating procedures for BLM and Antifa.

66 posted on 06/03/2021 11:08:13 AM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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To: rickmichaels

“Journalists” are such hacks. Zyklon-B was a brand name for stable pellets containing hydrogen cyanide, which became active, releasing gas, when mixed with water.

It was very popular as a pesticide, with the United States being the largest foreign purchaser, until relations with Germany soured, then production resumed under a US licensee.

The US used it for many things, including fumigating railroad passenger cars coming north from Mexico. The train would stop, the passengers would disembark, the train would be fumigated, then the passengers would get back on to continue their journey.

The US Army used it to fumigate barracks infested with lice and other vermin. They would plastic tent the wooden building, pump in the gas, then wait a while until the fumes were gone. Later a soldier said that it looked like coffee grounds had been scattered around the base boards of walls, dead insects, and dead mice and rats would turn up for a few days.


67 posted on 06/03/2021 11:23:57 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Poor kids are just as bright, just as talented, as white kids." - Joe Biden Aug 8, 2019)
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To: rickmichaels

ARBEIT MACHT FREI. Too bad that under Biden all the ARBEIT is going overseas and the American people will not be FREI.


68 posted on 06/03/2021 12:01:25 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: P-Marlowe

Nope, they used broken captured Soviet tank! The exhaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_extermination_camp
was routed to the gas chamber.
Sobibor and Belzec used similar method.


69 posted on 06/03/2021 12:01:59 PM PDT by AZJeep (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0AHGreco RomNQkryIIs)
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To: rickmichaels

Oh my God!!! The horror!! using the same type gas that the Nazi’s used. They probably breathed the same air and rank the same water. They were even wearing clothes, like the Nazi’s did.

Where oh where will it all end. Everything that someone does is ‘like what the Nazi’s did’.

I bet it was like what the Babylonia’s did. You know make people die ‘like the Nazi’s did’.


70 posted on 06/03/2021 12:07:53 PM PDT by dirtymac ( Now Is The Time For All Good Men To ComeTo The Aid Of Their Country! NOW)
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To: rickmichaels
Once again, this is just sheer stupidity. It's stupid because it's just begging some court to strike it down for being 'cruel and unusual'. It's stupid because it forces people to handle and deal with a very hazardous chemical. How do you dispose of the gas after you use it? It's also stupid because of the expense to the taxpayers, both to defend the indefensible in court, and to deal with all the issues surrounding the storage, handling, and disposal of lethal chemicals.

We already know exactly how to dispense the ultimate justice quickly and cheaply. Just use nitrogen. No one can object to using nitrogen (at least and still have any credibility left). Anyone who does outs themselves as not being against the method, but instead being against the state being able to execute at all. Nitrogen is approximately 80% of every single breath you take, unless you are on a ventilator that is furnishing a high-oxygen environment. Nitrogen is non-flammable. It is non-toxic, in normal concentrations.

It is only when you get high enough concentrations that it is any issue at all. Industrial sites that can have excessive nitrogen accumulation are well aware of this. If you walk into a room that is filled with a high enough concentration of nitrogen (95% or so), you will have no idea whatsoever that you are dying. You would just continue walking along, and then collapse after a few minutes and die without ever knowing what the hell happened. This is because nitrogen does not trigger the suffocation reflex. If you're in a room with nothing but CO2, you'll know you're dying because the body recognises the danger of too much CO2. It does not recognize the danger of excessive N2. How the hell could it, when every breath you have taken your entire life is saturated with almost 80% of the stuff?

Here's how such an execution would work. The person is wheeled into an air-tight chamber, and everyone leaves but the condemned. The O2 and other gasses are flushed out by feeding in N2 under positive pressure. You wait 15 to 30 minutes (just to be sure), then purge the air in the room to an exhaust on the roof and pump in normal air in it's place. You can have a gauge in the room that tells you when there is enough O2 for it to be safe. Then to wheel the body out and move on to the next.

No other special preparations have to be made other than to make sure that the room will reliably reach, say a 95% N2 atmosphere. You don't have to deal with poisons, or doctors, or anything else.

People suggesting firing squads, hangings, and any of the other more (I'll admit) emotionally satisfying options are just trying to muddy the water. All it does is make it more difficult to carry out the death penalty than it needs to be.

I have some personal issues with the death penalty, mainly because I have little to no faith that our government is even capable of actually administering actual 'justice' through our legal system. However, if you're going to do it, and I really do believe it it the appropriate punishment for some crimes, then you should just do the deed, and throw all the emotional baggage out the window.

71 posted on 06/03/2021 2:25:07 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: P-Marlowe
Why don’t they just use carbon monoxide? Cyanide gas creates a bio hazard.

I'm pretty sure CO will trigger the suffocation response in the body. Yeah, it is visually for those who want to watch the condemned suffer (a valid desire IMO), but it just freaking clouds the issue IMO. See my previous response above.

72 posted on 06/03/2021 2:27:50 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: Delta 21
Nitrogen gas asphyxiation is the cheapest, most effective quickest, most “humane” way to kill any mammal.

IMO, the only reason it's not universally used in this country is because it is not emotionally satisfying enough.

73 posted on 06/03/2021 2:31:33 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin
Helium asphyxiation makes for much funnier last words.

I'll admit it. That's funny.

74 posted on 06/03/2021 2:33:34 PM PDT by zeugma (Stop deluding yourself that America is still a free country.)
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To: zeugma

Just tie them up and throw them in a lake. If they drown, then you can declare them not guilty and if they survive, you take them to the town square and burn them at the stake.


75 posted on 06/03/2021 3:00:30 PM PDT by P-Marlowe ( Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping List )
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To: zeugma

Yes, the “suffering” of the accused has to be considered. At lest for a final closure for the family of his victims, witnessing the event is a therapeutic thing.

I guess you could have the digital O2 and nitrogen concentration meters visible to the inmate. Just so they cant bitch about having it being done surreptitiously.


76 posted on 06/03/2021 3:51:38 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Get off your ass and earn it!)
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To: P-Marlowe

Nitrogen oxide, killem with laughter.
Start out with nitrous oxide, then slowly turn off the O2.


77 posted on 06/03/2021 7:28:16 PM PDT by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: going hot

The action of cyanides and hydrocyanic acid on living animals, in particular on mammals, is attributed by and large to their irreversible reaction with the iron ions in the blood. This effects the assimilation and transportation of oxygen in the blood to the various parts of the body, which has dire effect on the functioning. Other mechanisms were proposed and are believed to play a strong role in cyanide toxicity, however, the rapid toxicity is believed to be due to the cyanides interrupting the absorption and assimilation of oxygen

https://www.chemsee.com/commercial/food-poisons/resources/chemnotes-food-poison-detection/cyanide-poisoning/

They may have found something new, my biochemistry is 40 years old, but chemsee.com is basically what I remember from biochem.


78 posted on 06/07/2021 7:49:31 PM PDT by Paperpusher
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To: going hot

your response is also detailed in some articles. It appears they have found additional info on the biochemical reaction since I had biochem. It’s also possible I forgot. Either way, I stand corrected!


79 posted on 06/07/2021 7:58:19 PM PDT by Paperpusher
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