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The Magnificent Infantry of WW II
See Bibliography | May 29, 2021 | Self

Posted on 05/29/2021 10:25:25 AM PDT by Retain Mike

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My most often contact with these men started about age twelve in the late 50's when my dad began taking me out golfing on the weekends. There was a man who used the first golf cart I ever saw, because as a brigade commander of the 41th Infantry in New Guinea he was debilitated by sickness. I remember one fairly good golfer who had kind of a weird back swing. I found out he was crippled while serving with the Big Red One in Sicily. My Economics professor in college served with one of the first UDT swimmers clearing barricades and mines in the surf zone before Pacific landings. I often ended up as a dishwasher at the country club and noticed the chef always limped as he moved around the kitchen. He saw my puzzled look, and said he got the limp from a wound received when he was with the Rangers at Pointe De Hoc. Those are just a few of the stories I remember among so many others I could tell or have forgotten.
1 posted on 05/29/2021 10:25:25 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: Retain Mike

Thank you for posting this. Semper Fidelis...


2 posted on 05/29/2021 10:40:37 AM PDT by Always A Marine ("When you strike at a king, you must kill him" - Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: Retain Mike

Most of my uncles, mother and fathers brothers, served overseas in WW 2. Only one made it a career, retiring as a USAF Master Sergeant aircraft mechanic. Another avoided military service by working in a shipyard in Long Beach, CA. He made that a career, staying there for 40 years. Another was a navy fighter pilot, but buckled under fear and pressure, becoming an alcholic during the war, and relegated to non-combat ground duties. He was in and out of VA treatment facilities for the rest of his life.

None of them, including my father, would talk very much about their experiences.


3 posted on 05/29/2021 11:14:54 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Always A Marine

Thanks. I want to write one for the Marine Corps, but I am not there yet.


4 posted on 05/29/2021 11:16:38 AM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: Retain Mike

I understand that the highest casualty rate was among the USAF.


5 posted on 05/29/2021 11:20:13 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Retain Mike

I had a school teacher who was a Marine in the Korean War. You may have seen his picture. He can be seen crouching around the corner while a buddy is shooting at a sniper in Seoul after the Inchon landings.

He told stories in class about his experiences. One was how he watched U.S. and Chinese (Russian ?) jet fighters dueling high above the Yalu River. He said that is how he overcame his own PTSD, before PTSD became a thing.


6 posted on 05/29/2021 11:21:20 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Retain Mike

I understand that the highest casualty rate was among the USAF. Entire B-17 crews did not make it alive.


7 posted on 05/29/2021 11:23:11 AM PDT by 353FMG
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The support staff in the USAF is far safer than those supporting the Army infantry. The other 17-33% of the casualties were still something. In the air force if you aren’t actually flying in a combat air craft you are normally pretty safe, or at least it seems to me.


8 posted on 05/29/2021 11:35:08 AM PDT by Hieronymus
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To: 353FMG
That reminds me of part of another essay I plan to most today for Memorial Day.

Now granted a lot of the men ended up as prisoners of war, but one historian noted that Kamikaze squadrons had a lessor casualty rate until fighter escorts (p-51s) could accompany bombers throughout the mission. Completing 25 missions was so extraordinary in 1942 and 1943, that the aircraft and crew of the Memphis Belle returned to the United States to sell war bonds. During the war, the 8th Air Force based in England suffered more than 26,000 dead compared to the Marine Corps which incurred nearly 20,000 killed for all its campaigns in WW II.

9 posted on 05/29/2021 11:56:25 AM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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https://history.army.mil/books/70-7_15.htm


Early stages of war planning was 213 divisions.


10 posted on 05/29/2021 12:03:56 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Hieronymus

Our Air Force people were mortared on a regular basis during our current desert adventures. Plus some of the natives working on the bases attacked personnel. Not the pointy end of the spear exactly, but still dangerous.


11 posted on 05/29/2021 12:09:08 PM PDT by Himyar (Comes A Stillness/ God Bless Robert E. Lee)
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To: jimtorr

I had the privilege of knowing one of the greatest of the “Greatest Generation”. He was a banker when I knew him. During WW II he served with 10th Mountain division. The division did not see action until it was sent to Italy in January 1945. Because of its special training, it was in the lead for a lot of offensives. He was the only one of eight officers in his company not to become a casualty during the five months until Germany surrendered and earned two Silver Stars. The division overall suffered 25% casualties with about 83% occurring in rifle companies like his. He returned home to marry in 1947, and he and his wife had 72 years together.


12 posted on 05/29/2021 12:17:17 PM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: PeterPrinciple

What happened to the other divisions not activated?

Repple Depple

https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/the-u-s-world-war-ii-troop-replacement-policy/

You saw in on TV Combat, now you know.


13 posted on 05/29/2021 12:21:04 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: 353FMG

Well, there goes Word spell check again. It should say “post” and not “most”.


14 posted on 05/29/2021 12:21:49 PM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: 353FMG

I understand that the highest casualty rate was among the USAF. Entire B-17 crews did not make it alive.
—————the numbers show our Army Air Force deaths far exceeded our Marines, by 28,000 plus. My father was an infantryman, machine gunned three weeks before the wars end, cut the Ruhr pocket in half. His most treasured award was not his bronze star, but his Combat Infantrymans Badge......ALL deserve much honor, the majority were young draftees, rightfully called the Greatest Generation. Rest In Peace, Dad, you would never recognize our county today.
Airborne All the Way, 1977-1980.


15 posted on 05/29/2021 12:49:24 PM PDT by delta7
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To: 353FMG
I understand that the highest casualty rate was among the USAF. Entire B-17 crews did not make it alive.

USAAF. There was no USAF at the time.

16 posted on 05/29/2021 1:00:54 PM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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I understand that the highest casualty rate was among the USAF. Entire B-17 crews did not make it alive.

Here's just one of many examples: Nose blown off by flak (bombardier and both pilots vaporized); the interior turned in a 200+ mph wind tunnel. Imagine seven others pinned to the plane as it plummeted, knowing they were dead.

17 posted on 05/29/2021 1:39:49 PM PDT by Oatka
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To: Always A Marine

way back in the 80s I read that only a shockingly small number of infantry who engaged the enemy actually ever fired their weapon. Don’t recall the actual number (20%?) but I was suprised we won at all. I have no idea how they managed to figure this out but they did. By Vietnam they’d gotten the number way up. I’d love to know how they did that as well.


18 posted on 05/29/2021 2:32:56 PM PDT by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: delta7

If I’m not mistaken, the WW2 casualty rate was actually highest in the Navy, its submariners. It is a harrowing thing to be in your bomber falling from 20,000 feet, but no less harrowing than your submarine being crushed at several hundred feet of depth.

it is possible an air crew member might make it out of his burning airplane with his parachute and survive, not so in a depth charged submarine. No one survives.


19 posted on 05/29/2021 2:35:32 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: Retain Mike

God loves the infantry.


20 posted on 05/29/2021 2:45:04 PM PDT by Terabitten (Breathe. Relax. Aim. Squeeze.)
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