If the Pentagon takes UFOs seriously, so should markets

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[sarge83]

They are not UFO’s anymore, they are UAP’s. Unidentified Aerial Phenomena which suggests not just objects but strangeness in the air/atmosphere itself, inter-dimensional possibilities come to mind. They are saying something is there we can’t explain but won’t go to who or what is flying these things. If they are the Chicoms or Russians we’re screwed technology wise and national security wise. Also we need to consider the military just wants more $ for their budgets by going public with this issue. By showing this data to congress in private they could probably easily get increased funding.

To do a 180 on the subject suggests the powers that be either can’t hide the issue anymore or there is a reason they need to make it public. In any case when it goes down if the CIA/NSA claim these things are our friends and just want to help us you know it’s going to be a big crap burger for the planet and humanity.

[Vaduz]

UFOs = Drones

(fuzzy fine print)
made in China

[RoosterRedux]

That's a pretty clear-headed assessment.

BTW, Luis Elizondo said in his last 2 interviews (LINKS HERE) that the technology is sufficiently ahead of us that these aren't Chinese or Russian (100 yrs or less, but not current technology as known).

At this point, I don't get the sense that the military knows how it would spend a bigger budget because of these things (whatever they are). In fact, it sounds like the military is saying this is much, MUCH bigger than a military problem.;-)

[cgbg]

Both Jacques Vallee and Terence McKenna have proposed totally different concepts to explain these things—but they are far outside the comfort zone of most folks here.

Vallee’s classic work:

https://www.amazon.com/Passport-Magonia-Folklore-Flying-Saucers/dp/0987422480

A McKenna podcast on the topic:

https://psychedelicsalon.com/podcast-261-the-definitive-ufo-tape/

Using science and/or the military to understand UFOs is like using Alchemy to understand cell phones—it is just a category error that will lead nowhere.

[RoosterRedux]

Yep. That's a funny combo, Vallee and McKenna. An astrophysicist and a DMT mystic. But that's quite likely the direction things are headed in.

Like a General at the Pentagon told Lue Elizondo, "We know what those things are alright...they're demons."

It looks like the DOD is about to announce, "They're here. Whatever they are."

As Elizondo said last week, "Humans perceive things with their five senses. Most of what we call reality is beyond the reach of those five senses." Elizondo also said, "pay close attention to the next 30 days or so. A big announcement is coming."

[cgbg]

I just find Elizondo irritating—but I would love him to prove me wrong.

[cgbg]

Further comment—the problem is not just our “senses”.

It is our culture, our language, our hidden assumptions about how “reality” works.

To paraphrase one of McKenna’s great quotes on the subject:

In the days of ancient Rome all of the political and intellectual leaders heard the servants whispering about this guy who was resurrected and they laughed about it—viewing it as a primitive superstition that could never influence the world.

The “superstition” was so alien to ancient Roman thought that it was not just considered wrong, it was considered impossible and/or silly.

Our belief systems crowd out other possibilities—so we can’t see stuff coming...

In the modern age it is science that is the current belief system—and it has a bunch of hidden assumptions that we take for granted—and can’t imagine them to be false and/or incomplete.

One example—what if consciousness as we understood it (and we don’t really understand it) was something that planets or stars had—but their “consciousness” was as different from ours as ours is from ants.

Science would be totally lost. They could not measure it, they could not confirm it, they would not even know what it could be. It would be like ants trying to study humans—nothing would or could make sense.

That is what I mean by a “category error”.

[RoosterRedux]

I get the strange feeling that the DOD is using Elizondo as a mouthpiece...which gives them plausible deniability because he is no longer an employee.

He has let an awful lot of information "slip out" considering he is subject to a non-disclosure agreement. And when the press goes to the DOD for confirmation as to what Elizondo has said, they respond by saying "he doesn't work here anymore."

[RoosterRedux]

I hear ya.

[ßuddaßudd]

ima leaning this way myselfs ..