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VAERS UPDATE: Data as of 4/2/2021 for Covid Vaccines administered in the US.
cdc.gov ^ | 4/1/2021 | Vanity, CDC's Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System

Posted on 04/02/2021 4:28:59 PM PDT by ransomnote

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To: House Atreides

Not an anti vaxxed but someone who cares about their health. The scare was nothing but that to get all to get injected with experimental drugs. Right now you have no idea what it is doing to your body. We’ll chat again in 4 months and see if you are still a cheerleader. It’s not like you can undo the process, you’ve been duped.


21 posted on 04/03/2021 12:50:11 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: USAF80

1. They went through all three phases of human trials. The same as any other therapeutic or vaccine

2. According to your statement it would take a decade for all new meds and therapeutics to come to market. This is preposterous as science must adapt

3. Extrapolated to all other science the Manhattan project, the moon landing and all other great scientific advancements are invalid because the didn’t take enough tone

4. It won’t alter cells and immune system except in the way designed

5. There has not been a single death attributed to the vaccine. Further, clinically, the case studies have dozens of other more likely causes of death than the vaccine in each case

6. You come across as afraid and frankly denigrate American ingenuity snd the ability to get anything done when the chips are down. This is what the hallmark of the American spirit is. As Gene Krantz famously said on the Apollo 13 mission — failure is not an option.

Americans rise to the occasion and can get anything done. I find it very sad that some no longer believe this and obviously do not believe in the greatness of American though and ability. President Trump did. It’s why we even have vaccines. Let alone vaccines that now how disease and transmission prevention. It’s the reason this is over in America in the next 90 days


22 posted on 04/03/2021 4:16:55 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: gas_dr

There were no human trials for these experimental shots however.
Remember Vioxx? 60K before they pulled it.
So all those family members posting about loved ones dying either immediately after the shots or a few days later are all lying?
So you get a shot being perfectly healthy, die right after but it’s not the shot that killed you.
It won’t alter cells or the immune system? What studies are you basing this on. It’s only been since January and these things take time.
I’m afraid that you let yourself become injected with an unknown trwatment for basically the yearly flu.
You’ve been duped my friend and in a few months you’ll be fighting mad.
Good luck to you and keep checking in every month so we can track your health progress. Don’t get sick.


23 posted on 04/03/2021 5:48:35 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: USAF80

You attempt to walk back what you said. I am sorry you are engaging in rhetorical slight of hand

1. You discount phase 1-3 trials. Do you deny that these were human trials? Please answer directly. The Vioxx statement is a red herring.

2. While I have no reason to doubt the veracity that people may have died after an injection it does not imply the was responsible. You are creating a link that does not exist. After 100M doses would it not stand to reason that if there were causations of death it would be evident? The fact is that these few deaths having studied them have much more plausible causes than the injection and the death rate is lower than general population. You are trying to say there is causation. There is no reasonable scientific way to land on that hypothesis.

3. I have a working knowledge of basic biology. These cannot alter immunology or genes as I happen to know how mRNA works and where the genes of humans are located. I also know that viral infections work in the exact same way except the whole virus is replicated in wild form. With these vaccines only the spike protein is created and this is the Achilles heel of this virus

4. Studies now show that transmission and infection is blocked over 90% of the time in fully vaccinated. That means that the rate of inefficient will drop 90%. This is well demonstrated in Israel which is a mature model of vaccination

5. I can tell you from treating this disease for a year and three months it is not the usual seasonal flu. Please tell me your clinical experience snd number of cases and encounters you have personally treated to make such an observation.

6. I have been fully vaccinated since Christmas. I no longer steward bringing this home to my family. My health is quite good and I am quite glad I am immune from this deadly disease


24 posted on 04/03/2021 7:36:24 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: gas_dr

I discount all narratives about COVID or the so called cures.
There is no cure for the common cold. Even flu shots are 40% effective.
You are not immune from anything.
A Level 4 Biohazard facility is the only thing that can protect you from a virus by mechanical filtration and physical barriers.
You have been injected with an EXPERIMENTAL product.
Your immune system was your best defense.
You claim good health so we have a baseline. You will be the test case here.


25 posted on 04/03/2021 8:45:15 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: USAF80

Again you make sweeping unsupported statements when I have directly asked you several questions which you don’t answer

Your statements are intellectually dishonest

Please take some tome to answer the questions I have asked you that are on point to your statements or they just be categorically rejected as indefensible.


26 posted on 04/03/2021 8:51:21 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: gas_dr

The shot you received was an experimental product.
Deal with it. I know you feel safer now that you have had it but you were safe before.
Like I stated you will be the control seeing as you claimed you were perfectly healthy before the jab.

I know at least one perfectly healthy fella who is not healthy right now after his jabs but keep being a cheerleader though.


27 posted on 04/03/2021 10:11:46 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: USAF80

I’m case your don’t recall

1. You asserted there were no human trials. In fact it went through all three phases of clinical human trials every other medication and vaccine goes through. Do you deny this? Deal with this issue

2. Please comment on the fact that the VAERS data system specifically says that it does not consider correlation to the events that are self reported. Please comment on this

3. I don’t think you know what a control is. If as you falsely claim that I am part of the experiment and that I know I have received a vaccine assuming we accept your very flawed position for the sake of argument, I would in fact be part of the experimental limb in an observation study. Not the control. The control would be no vaccination. You demonstrate your lack of scientific understanding

Based on the thee errors you have made in argument and logic above and combined with your failure to grasp the actual ideas of what you say (which leads me to believe you are just cutting and pasting talking points) why is it that you wish to talk people out of something that is demonstrated safe and very effective. You babe not proffered a single fact rather opinion to counter the factual arguments.

You are very much so trying to rob people of their choices based on an attempt to sound serious and erudite but you have shown you are long on opinion and very short on data

Please provide anything that refutes 1-3 above beside your opinion.

And please also answer the question as to the number of actual bedside clinical encounters you have had treating these patients for which you say “it is no worse than influenza”


28 posted on 04/03/2021 12:26:16 PM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: gas_dr

You took an EXPERIMENTAL substance. There are no repercussions to the pharmaceutical companies. Sure they can claim battery acid is safe and inject you. They face no adverse effects for injuring millions.

Wrap your head around that fact. No one is liable, not your doctor, vaccine company or politicians. No one. Human experimenting without consent or approval from the subject is illegal.

I’m not replying to your questions because it is pointless at this time. I don’t care that you let yourself be experimented on because of a manufactured scare. I do want people to be smart and at least do some research before they let themselves be injected with EXPERIMENTAL substances.

It their choice whether they deem it safe or not after doing their research.

My favorite four words are , “I told you so”, usually I add an expletive.

Good Luck to you and yours.

I will not be responding after this.

USAF 80, over and out.


29 posted on 04/03/2021 7:14:56 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: USAF80

You will not respond because you will not admit the truth. You said there is no human trial, I pointed out over 100,000 humans who volunteered in three phases and you say you won’t respond any further.

I am sad to learn that you cannot engage in honest debate. You are wrong, and you are hurting people by couching your fantasy as fact.

I am pleased you will no longer respond because this means you will not be poisoning other people without response.

Godspeed and Good Luck

Be well.


30 posted on 04/03/2021 7:26:45 PM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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