Posted on 04/01/2021 8:04:46 AM PDT by FatherofFive
Yeah, raping little boys has always been natural law.
God bless you
Yes, but if I am fixing the telephone of an electrician who does the wiring for a plumbing business that keeps the toilets running at planned parenthood, am I aborting a baby, or at least giving tacit approval to abortion?
What if I didn’t know and then someone explains to me that this is the case?
And does it make a difference if I am the one who owns the telephone repair business, or if I am an employee?
Now, now...let’s not state the obvious about the Catholic priests...😎
And the whole contraception is evil thing.....that,s just wrong. Nothing like a bunch of old men telling women/people how many kids to have.
I’m glad we don’t let religious organizations make our laws and regulations. We’d probably still be burning witches, running a neighborhood inquisition, and having excorcisims of impure thoughts.
We do have freedom of religion in this country and we also have freedom to ignore religion. Any group that seeks to impose their will and beliefs upon another group sure sounds like a dictatorship to me.
We are all involved in abortion. We live in a country where the people tell the government what to do. We are responsible for allowing it. We take care of people who abort or who assist in abortions.
“I’ve got Ivermectin and HCQ....”
I live in NY State and Dictator Cuomo won’t allow doctors to prescribe HCQ. I wonder how many have died because of politics in NY, and other states.
FYI
“The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops issued a statement raising ethical concerns because the Johnson & Johnson vaccine uses an abortion-derived cell line in its development and production.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/some-catholic
Some bishops say to use J&J if you cannot get another. I guess they feel this is the lessor of the evils rather than millions of people dying.
Johnson and Johnson (and AstraZeneca) are more immoral than Moderna and Pfizer, because they use HEK293 fetal cell line in manufacturing, as well as testing.
Moderna and Pfizer did NOT use fetal cell line in the manufacturing, but did use it in the testing. Using it in testing is also wrong, but Moderna and Pfizer are the lesser of the evils.
I wonder if Moderna and Pfizer thought better about it, so later in the process, did NOT use fetal cell lines for manufacturing.
Pope Benedict and Pope Francis received the Pfizer vaccine.
We should pray about it, but whatever we decide to do, we should fight to stop the evil of using fetal cell lines for vaccines.
www.cogforlife.org said an ethical vaccine might be available by the end of this year or even later than that.
This would lump Joan Andrews in with George Tiller.
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Do you have a reference link for the above? (No offense intended, I'm a trust but verify kinda guy.) I'm autoimmune system compromised due to a genetic condition. My specialist indicated to me to get the J&J vaccine if I could. I'm very pro-life and am against usage of aborted children's cell lines for anything. If the J&J vaccine used derived cells, I'm not going to get it.
My understanding though is that both Pfizer & Moderna used third party testing for their vaccines which also used aborted children's cell lines. I was dead-set against Moderna and Pfizer because of this and now I'm learning J&J is compromised as well?
Ugghhh...
I received most of my information from cogforlife (below), and some from Catholic websites. I wish I saved more info. but here is one I saved in my personal files:
“.. Sunnie57 on March 17, 2021 at 10:08 pm
So is Moderno as bad as Johnson and Johnson?
Were the bishops mistaken when they said that BOTH Moderno and Pfizer were more moral than Johnson and Johnson?
Debi Vinnedge
Debi Vinnedge on March 18, 2021 at 7:25 am
The end product of Moderna’s is not as morally problematic because there are no aborted fetal cell components in their vaccine. Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine does contain components and DNA from the PER C6 aborted baby. Both used aborted fetal cells throughout their research and development and final testing. The bishops are correct that J&J is worse for 2 reasons: 1) their end product contains aborted fetal material and 2) aborted fetal cells are continuously used for production by J&J ..”
excerpt
https://cogforlife.org/2020/11/16/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-facts-not-fiction
P.S. Debi Vinnedge (above) is from Children of God for life.
Thanks for asking me about my references.
It appears the "big lie" has been that Pfizer and Moderna have not been using the above fetal cell line in an ongoing way, and that doesn't appear to be true. They're continuing to use derived fetal cells for ongoing production quality testing. They've already used it for "confirmatory testing" during the development process.
The only conclusion I can draw is that none of the vaccines are ethically pure. YMMV of course.
I'd actually found this article from the same website you used. Not sure if you've seen it? I'd just finished reading it and now I'm slightly more confused...
Exactly. like groups that want to:
kill babies in the womb
kill old people
make sodomy normal
make sex with children normal
Seriously, you want to live under the dictatorship of the communists?
If I don't like something, I don't do it. If the leftists don't like something, they ban it.
Wake up
I didn’t read the article yet, but maybe you are confused because even a couple of the folks from children of God disagree occasionally. However, they are all well informed, and sincere.
It is confusing, but I feel that since the bishops, and children of God seem to think that Johnson and Johnson is the worst, it’s probably so (but I don’t really know for sure.
imo, and I hope I am correct, I think it’s ethical to use any of them, if that’s all that’s available. Since the vaccine, I’m not hearing about countless people dying (especially from nursing homes) from COVID and their lives are important.
One pro-lifer said it’s the manufacturers’ wrong doing, not ours, and that made some sense to me.
Now I’ll read the link you posted.
Hi again,
I just read your other link, and since those links were from Nov. and Jan. (if I remember correctly), hopefully the more recent link I posted is the most accurate.
Thanks for your links.
That’s why you call an out of state “Tele-Doc”.
How do you do that?
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