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Military and spy agencies accused of stiff-arming investigators on UFO sightings
politico.com ^ | BRYAN BENDER

Posted on 03/27/2021 6:33:39 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

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To: pepsionice

I recently watched all 10 seasons of ‘Time Team’, which was a group of very aggressive archaeologists in England.

Turns out there are crop circles all over England — Iron Age and Bronze Age burial mounds.


41 posted on 03/27/2021 5:12:06 PM PDT by Kevmo (The tree of liberty is thirsty.)
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To: Hulka

Rational view of the UFO phenomenon.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0006WI572/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_0PDV0CRRDFASV0P54ZFV


42 posted on 03/27/2021 5:22:20 PM PDT by Kevmo (The tree of liberty is thirsty.)
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It was a secret weapon with a vectored thrust engine like the Harrier, which has been observed turning right angle corners. 1950s and 60s technology with some fancy new propulsion upgrades.

Harrier doesn't actually make any 90' turns.

More importantly, vectored thrust shows up on FLIR.

No such plumes are visible on the FLIR of the UFO.

43 posted on 03/27/2021 5:47:23 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Kevmo
It was a secret weapon with a vectored thrust engine like the Harrier, which has been observed turning right angle corners. 1950s and 60s technology with some fancy new propulsion upgrades.

Harrier doesn't actually make any 90' turns.

More importantly, vectored thrust shows up on FLIR.

No such plumes are visible on the FLIR of the UFO.

44 posted on 03/27/2021 5:47:23 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: RoosterRedux

At 13:42 in this youtube video, the series ‘how the states got their shapes’, they overlay UFO hotspots on top of top secret military bases. The inductive conclusion is obvious —these are secret weapons.

https://youtu.be/m-RHythms


45 posted on 03/27/2021 5:50:39 PM PDT by Kevmo (The tree of liberty is thirsty.)
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To: Gunslingr3

Like I said, fancy new upgrades for unmanned drones that can handle very high G forces.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1342535/posts

Yes the Harrier DOES turn at a right angle. Do a search for “turns a square corner” on that link. Much less reason to take your word for it than someone who was flying a chase plane behind the Kestrel.


46 posted on 03/27/2021 6:12:23 PM PDT by Kevmo (The tree of liberty is thirsty.)
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To: Gunslingr3

That’s a picture of a Harrier from the side during a vertical landing. FLIR is FORWARD Looking Infrared and the plumes would be hidden by the Harrier’s wing.


47 posted on 03/27/2021 6:14:29 PM PDT by Kevmo (The tree of liberty is thirsty.)
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Yes the Harrier DOES turn at a right angle. Do a search for “turns a square corner” on that link. Much less reason to take your word for it than someone who was flying a chase plane behind the Kestrel.

You're taking it waaay too literal. Vectored thrust will let it make sharper radius turns, but it isn't coming to a stop and changing direction 90'.

That’s a picture of a Harrier from the side during a vertical landing. FLIR is FORWARD Looking Infrared and the plumes would be hidden by the Harrier’s wing.

They object they track (while they are in a turn) rotates and never shows exhaust plumes.


48 posted on 03/27/2021 8:04:14 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Kevmo
Yes the Harrier DOES turn at a right angle. Do a search for “turns a square corner” on that link. Much less reason to take your word for it than someone who was flying a chase plane behind the Kestrel.

You're taking it waaay too literal. Vectored thrust will let it make sharper radius turns, but it isn't coming to a stop and changing direction 90'.

That’s a picture of a Harrier from the side during a vertical landing. FLIR is FORWARD Looking Infrared and the plumes would be hidden by the Harrier’s wing.

They object they track (while they are in a turn) rotates and never shows exhaust plumes.


49 posted on 03/27/2021 8:04:14 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3

The chase plane said square corner, so it’s a square corner. He wasn’t the only one who’s seen it.

Your second point makes no sense.

The point is that I can re-create 1890s level of UFO capability with about $2M today, and I can re-create vectored thrust boundary layer control UFO Capability using 1947 technology.

Occham’s Razor forces an inductive conclusion that these are secret projects.


50 posted on 03/27/2021 8:35:20 PM PDT by Kevmo (The tree of liberty is thirsty.)
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The chase plane said square corner, so it’s a square corner.

Momentum is something even the Harrier has. It doesn't turn at an actual right angle.

The pilots describe a craft changing direction as though it had no momentum. Harrier doesn't do that.

Your second point makes no sense.

This is one of the F-18 pilots who explains: video 9:00 mark he mentions "no plume".

The point is that I can re-create 1890s level of UFO capability with about $2M today, and I can re-create vectored thrust boundary layer control UFO Capability using 1947 technology.

Can you create vectored thrust the same temp as ambient air?

Can you keep it flying for hours without refueling in a shape that size?

Skip to the 11:00 mark where he mentions the duration of flight.

You might be sitting on some lucrative patents.

51 posted on 03/27/2021 11:43:45 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3

You’re the one taking it too literal, because the Harrier doesn’t have to stop to turn a right angle. Even the F35 can’t match the maneuver.


52 posted on 03/28/2021 1:09:55 AM PDT by Kevmo (The tree of liberty is thirsty.)
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To: Gunslingr3

Sure I can do that without your bullshiite plume nonsense. using TODAY’S secret technology and a cool $billion.

So that’s 4 levels of UFO tech observed capability that can be replicated contemporaneous to the times — 1890s, 1940s, 1950s, 2010s.

The origin of these things is secret projects, not aliens from thousands of light years away.


53 posted on 03/28/2021 1:16:18 AM PDT by Kevmo (The tree of liberty is thirsty.)
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You’re the one taking it too literal, because the Harrier doesn’t have to stop to turn a right angle.

A 90' turn is an instantaneous change in vector. The Harrier doesn't do that. A Harrier still has momentum. It can make a sharper turn than a conventional aircraft, but not the "ping pong ball in a glass jar" direction changes they've tracked these objects doing on radar.

54 posted on 03/28/2021 8:03:18 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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Sure I can do that without your bullshiite plume nonsense. using TODAY’S secret technology and a cool $billion.

Vectored thrust is heated air. Those plumes show up on FLIR, but as the pilot noted, this vehicle didn't show any plumes.

When you mention "TODAY's secret technology" you're not citing anything but your imagination.

You also didn't explain how you're fueling this thing for hours and hours. Explain.

55 posted on 03/28/2021 8:07:33 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3

Give me a cool $billion and I can vector thrust without IR plumes. It doesn’t take alien outer space technology, just expensive secret technology. Just like as happened in the 1950s, 1940s, and 1890s.


56 posted on 03/28/2021 9:45:19 AM PDT by Kevmo (The tree of liberty is thirsty.)
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To: Gunslingr3

As long as we’re bringing up stuff that the other guy doesn’t talk about... Then YOU explain how the 1890s and 1940s and 1950s technology that we had available could explain the ORIGIN of UFO sightings.

Then once that info is in proper Occham’s-Razor context, I will happily address your sophisticated but incredibly narrow bullshiite argument.


57 posted on 03/28/2021 9:52:01 AM PDT by Kevmo (The tree of liberty is thirsty.)
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To: Gunslingr3

I agree that your narrow straw argument definition is interesting but it shows that you don’t understand what’s going on when you’re trying to get on the Harrier’s tail. He pulls a VIFFing (vectoring in forward flight) maneuver and it APPEARS to have cut a square corner.

It’s very astonishing to the chase pilots. You aren’t even flying behind a Harrier and you are STILL bewildered.

Upgrade that vectored thrust engine with stronger, more advanced higher G-force propulsion for drones, ya got that ping pong ball effect. Upgrade it still further, you got minimal IR plumes.


58 posted on 03/28/2021 10:03:01 AM PDT by Kevmo (The tree of liberty is thirsty.)
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