Posted on 03/24/2021 8:22:26 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
It is, and even up to-including the fugitive slave clause.
The easy way out would be to quote Frederick Douglass but Douglass has also been erased which is why the easy option is ineffective.
You can’t win an argument with Liberals, because they don’t care what they are arguing about, they will make up “facts”, change the subject, use every logical fallacy in the book, name call, then go right back to the argument you have already proved wrong. They want you to submit to their opinion, that is their only motive in “discussion”. Refuse to submit or engage with liberals, and have real discussions with those that are not true believers. That is winning.
The British Empire’s role in all of it has also been masterfully erased. It is difficult to fully describe just how complete the erasure of America is with progressives controlling the schools for the last 120 years.
As the Declaration makes clear, not one thing in America happened in the void that progressives want it to appear as.
America is nothing without the tyrant on the other side of the ocean. In a void, the Founders were just random people who did random things and a king? What king? There was no king. The founders were just slaveholders doing things. Grievances in a declaration, what? Only blacks have grievances. ..... You know the mindset.
The reality is that in the arc of history, our Founders were on the correct side of history on everything up to and including the issues of slavery.
We desperately need citizen historians to tell the story(ies) that the progressives have erased.
Hi.
Imho liberals, progressives, democrats etc. wake up each morning believing that history is just starting. They have no concept of the world in the 17th century.
As you know the Left monitors this forum extensively. So, I will state a fact, and will get some interesting replies...
Most of the Founding Fathers had “indentured servants.”. Not slaves.
Learn the difference...oh, nevermind this posts was for liberals.
5.56mm
Don’t be silly. There are options other than surrender or keep doing what doesn’t work. How about doing something that does work?
Forget the “cherry tree cut down” story, about Washington. Start when he took a rag-tag group of colonists, organized them into a semi-militia, spent winters at Valley Forge PA and Morristown NJ had Ben Franklin get funding and soldiers from France, crossed to Potomac, turned the tide of the Rev War, turned-down the ‘king title” after being US President, and retired to Monticello. The details and other events, are amazing.
And according to “Ancient Aliens” on History, he received divine guidance from extra-terrestrials. Heh.
Good thought, but I am similar to another poster.
the vast majority of people understood slavery was a way of lie and accepted it then. OF course there were many people who found it an abomination, but the entirety of human history is filled with slavery. Only recent history has most of the world decided that slavery isn’t good. And more so in the Western world.
I think we’re probably saying the same thing just in a different way. (and if I misspoke I apologize, but clearly I am connecting with your latest message)
The non true believers(or bystanders) is the point and the focus. To reach them, who haven’t been educated by the schools, we need to be able to tell stories.
Not every founder has been demonized, and in that respect there is an advantage to be leveraged. The progressives have boxed themselves in with the same (roughly) seven Founders. Yes, they were important, but those are the rules of the game as laid out.
I’m saying, let’s break the rules. That’s what the progresssives do when they have a goal is re-write the rules.
“I wish more people understood how damaging quoting is when its devoid of storytellers.”
I wonder, do I wish I understood what you are talking about?
Alright, thanks for the redirect. I misunderstood.
This is something I see a lot is the “what else can I do” sentiment. “what has worked, let me try that”
I think we need to build more tools for each other that we can use and re-use. This has worked for me so far.
Completely understand. And, I did a bit of a knee-jerk reaction too. Sorry.
WHAT to do is the question. How do you reach out to brainwashed, emotion-driven, dumbed-down, hate-filled, historically and actually illiterate, created “victims” to explain to them why freedom and independence are good things. If any of us knew the answer, FR could go away tomorrow.
Proof that the issue is 100% fake:
Biden’s family owned slaves.
Harrises family or huge slave traders owning as many as 200 slaves at a time.
This is where the opportunity gets left behind, I think.
The focus is on those people who found it to be an abomination, and generally speaking the Founders were there in that group.
Without mentioning that specifically, it just sounds (or it can sound) like rationalizing and dismissive of the issue - and worse, the Founders don’t get the aggressive defense that they earned for the work they did.
I can understand that point. But I don’t think just pointing out a few founders is good enough. But it does help. It should be part of a more comprehensive approach, then you also have to have a person(s) actually willing to listen to reason; that’s the hardest part.
Sure, here are two examples.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3940983/posts
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3668446/posts
One misquoted, the other completely unknown. Both would benefit all of us to be more widely disseminated.
FR is needed now more than ever.
As for what to do, I’m a history revivalist.
https://archive.org/details/colored_patriots_1602_librivox
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3175944/posts
True.
But, my question still stands. And, I wish I had a good answer:
“How do you reach out to brainwashed, emotion-driven, dumbed-down, hate-filled, historically and actually illiterate, created “victims” to explain to them why freedom and independence are good things.”
They reflexively hate old, dead, white guys and see no value in anything they might have thought or said. NONE.
They have been taught to feel, not think, and they have been told what to feel. Many are incapable of logical thought.
They have been taught an alternate version of history, and would have to be slowly and painfully re-educated in order to even consider anything else true.
They have been raised to be victims. I’m not going to go into the whole victimhood pathology, but it creates a person who is willing to take what they think they deserve, and force others to do the same. Independence and self-reliance seem absurd to them. It would take 40 years wandering in the desert to change that.
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