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How does Johnson & Johnson's COVID-19 vaccine stack up against shots from Pfizer and Moderna?
Business Insider via MSN ^ | 02/01/2021 | Hilary Brueck

Posted on 02/01/2021 6:06:35 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: gas_dr

“It seems sad that you paint with a broad brush.”

No appeal to the hospital is working. They can probably fire the ICU MD, but at this late stage, pointless.

They could have tried the MATH+ protocol, but conventional medicine and Pharma would rather this man die and become a statistic in the fear narrative. The MD was adamant that the patient could not even take his normal daily supplement doses, let alone a therapeutic dose of vitC (which could have saved him early on).


121 posted on 02/02/2021 11:04:26 AM PST by SecAmndmt (Aim small, miss small)
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To: gas_dr

Lying???? Who is lying? Certainly not me.

The fetal stem cell line PER.C6 from an 18 week old aborted baby are indeed used to produce the J&J vaccine. The virus is cultured in the cells....are you so inept in your understanding of vaccine production that you do not understand there no purification process that can remove fetal DNA fragments from the “finished product”?

What I am saying is easily verifiable, and you calling me a liar is an offense, a slander, and a calumny. So the shame lies with YOU.


122 posted on 02/02/2021 2:22:06 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Proud to be an Infidel & a deplorable. )
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To: surroundedbyblue

As many others have pointed out
Cell line is not tissue. You said made from snorted baby tissue which conjures up an entirely different image

Numerous pro life societies have deemed these vaccines nonobjectionabke

And one more thing.

Any idea how old this cell line is?

Look it up and please spare me the lectures.


123 posted on 02/02/2021 2:28:52 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: gas_dr

LOL

What does the age of the cell line have to do with anything?


124 posted on 02/02/2021 2:30:46 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Proud to be an Infidel & a deplorable. )
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To: gas_dr

I gather from what you’re saying that you’re ok with cells stolen from a murdered child being used in this manner as unobjectionable?

No pro-life “society” worth anything would condone the use of murdered children like this.

The age of the cell lines is irrelevant. Does the law recognize a statue of limitations on murder?

Any physician who does not object to these cell lines, any doctor who doesn’t see a grave evil in the use of murdered children like this is not a pro life, pro-health physician at all. You’re a Mengele, and the nazis would be proud of your ilk.

Stick to passing gas, doctor, and spare the rest of us your sanctimonious bullcrap. And if you’re an anesthesiologist, you’re most likely a couch-warmer anyway while some AA or CRNA actually does the work


125 posted on 02/02/2021 2:35:55 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Proud to be an Infidel & a deplorable. )
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To: surroundedbyblue

It is typical of someone who doesn’t want to answer a question to engage in hyperbole

It is also fascinating that you think you know my personal opinions which clearly you do not. It is also hysterical that you think you know about my practice. Of course all you had to do was a little research right here on this forum to find out what kind of medicine I practice

What is amazing then is you smear me by calling me Mengele. You are no better then the liberals who call everyone hitler

You are like the Pharisees of old. You hypocrite and viper. You think you have knowledge and yet you do not. Then you presume your judgment superior to numerous pro life and religious organizations that find no ethical objection.

Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Blessings on your evening.


126 posted on 02/02/2021 2:51:02 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: gas_dr

No not really.

I’m just restating what your own posts implied: You don’t care about the use of aborted children in the research and production of vaccines so long as it happened a lonnnnnggggggg time ago. And you are willing to obfuscate to cover for the fact that DNA from murdered human beings is indeed present in some vaccines, this J&J vax being one of them.

You attacked me first. So I am validating what I said in the face of your false accusation of my lying.

You’re the one who doesn’t directly address the issues.

Maybe “gas dr” stands for gaslighting doctor


127 posted on 02/02/2021 2:57:30 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Proud to be an Infidel & a deplorable. )
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To: surroundedbyblue

Ahhh, so you are aware that the cell line in question comes from 1972. Additionally you are clearly not aware of how it was used

Finally, I never attacked you, I pointed out the inconsistencies in your arguments. Something that is quite prevalent in someone who is backed into a corner is to then turn it into a personal attack — including the gas lighting comment. I think you read too much pop culture and dont exactly know what that term means.

Lastly, you clearly fail to believe the Holy Scripture “all things work together for the glory of God.”

Clearly you are rooted in the law, and not the gospel. As I said, a pharisee of old.

I will not continue to address your ridiculous attacks and lies about what I have said, including your mischaracteristics. I find it funny you chose not to address. you obvious Mengele smear. In your world ignoring a counterpoint means it never happened. Perhaps it is true, those who accuse are guilty of what they are doing — in this case, gas lighting.

I will pray that you achieve discernment, wisdom and peace.

And may the peace that passes understanding be upon you, and your soul.

Blessings.


128 posted on 02/02/2021 3:14:57 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: gas_dr

“Lastly, you clearly fail to believe the Holy Scripture “all things work together for the glory of God.”

You think that a vaccine produced from a dead baby has a Godly side?

Here’s more info on risk profile for corona vaccines:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ijcp.13795


129 posted on 02/02/2021 5:22:39 PM PST by SecAmndmt (Aim small, miss small)
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To: SecAmndmt

I guess you fail to understand scripture, and the nature of God as instructed in the Holy Scripture.

Please be blessed.


130 posted on 02/02/2021 5:25:31 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: gas_dr

Numerous pro life societies have deemed these vaccines nonobjectionabke

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I was not aware of that.

Do you have any links, for this? Would love to see who and how they are stating this.

TIA.


131 posted on 02/02/2021 5:31:36 PM PST by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: gas_dr

“I guess you fail to understand scripture, and the nature of God as instructed in the Holy Scripture.”

America is suffering because of individual and corporate sin: abortion, homosexuality, Sodomite “whatever” posing as marriage, to name a few.

There is NO instance where a product of baby murder has a redeeming side. And certainly not in “preventative” medicine, when God has otherwise provided a natural mechanism to deal with viruses. The vanity is in denial of natural things God created for our use.

You imagine a vain thing, that your support and use of toxic cocktail injections aka vaccines is somehow Godly. The whole concept is that our God-given immunity is defective.
It is satanic.


132 posted on 02/02/2021 5:34:34 PM PST by SecAmndmt (Aim small, miss small)
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To: Jane Long

https://www.catholicnews.com/pro-life-physician-led-groups-weigh-in-on-development-of-covid-19-vaccines/

https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2020/11/23/misinformation-us-bishops-catholics-covid-vaccine-abortion

https://www.heritage.org/public-health/commentary/the-covid-vaccine-and-the-pro-life-movement

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/anti-abortion-faith-leaders-support-use-of-covid-19-vaccines

I appreciate your request, and I know we might not agree on a lot. For the record, I am not saying this is not a challenging issue, and I have not particularly revealed my own opinion. But the above is a quick synopsis of several of the religious and political pro-life societies who do not object this these vaccines.

It is a difficult question, one I have spoken at length with my pastor about as well.

Here is the info you requested, the other side of the story, if you will!

Blessings.


133 posted on 02/02/2021 5:41:43 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: gas_dr

Thank you!

Blessings to you, as well.


134 posted on 02/02/2021 5:53:50 PM PST by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: gas_dr

Anyone quoting the pro-LGBT and pro-communist “America Magazine” can be written off is erroneous at best, heretical at worst.

Try listening to actual Catholics, not the pro gay bishops and certainly not the Jesuits


135 posted on 02/02/2021 7:12:36 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Proud to be an Infidel & a deplorable. )
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To: Jane Long

www.cogforlife.com


136 posted on 02/02/2021 7:13:06 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Proud to be an Infidel & a deplorable. )
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To: Jane Long

Whoops. Sent the wrong link

https://cogforlife.org/

Ask yourself if Our Blessed Lord would accept a vaccine produced in such a manner. Even St Joseph, being a just man, would not accept a “cure” or treatment if it was derived from the blood of innocents.


137 posted on 02/02/2021 7:15:01 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Proud to be an Infidel & a deplorable. )
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To: surroundedbyblue

I provided references from religious and political organizations, I do not expect your to agree with them. While I am not Catholic (I am protestant) there are several factions within the Catholic Church.

It appears to me that the Catholic Church is in upheaval and schism, but the current Pope (who is infallible in doctrine according to catholics) is Jesuit. They are practicing catholics that to the best of my knowledge have not been excommunicated. They may have opinion different than yours, but are within the practicing catholic church.

I also provided references from protestant churches as well as non-religious conservative groups

Please, your disagreement is not with me, it appears to be with your own church.

In any event, as I said to Jane Long, I do accept that there is argument on this issue, I am simply providing the statements and other perspectives as you seem to state that there is only one answer.


138 posted on 02/02/2021 7:25:04 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Thank you!


139 posted on 02/02/2021 7:25:54 PM PST by Jane Long (America, Bless God....blessed be the Nation 🙏🏻🇺🇸)
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To: gas_dr

“It is a difficult question, one I have spoken at length with my pastor about as well.”

Boilerplate pro-vaccine pro-abort weasel words. I question whether you are even a Believer.

By your reasoning, the Nazi medical experiments on Jews and others had a positive side?


140 posted on 02/02/2021 7:35:22 PM PST by SecAmndmt (Aim small, miss small)
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