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Ergothioneine – a diet-derived antioxidant with therapeutic potential
FEBS LettersVolume 592, Issue 20 ^ | 31 May 2018 | Barry Halliwell, Irwin K. Cheah, Richard M. Y. Tang

Posted on 06/07/2020 7:31:30 PM PDT by ConservativeMind

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To: ConservativeMind

has that been your experience? if so how long didn it take to shrink the prostate? have you seen data that indicates as much. if so i would like to see it


21 posted on 09/22/2020 7:28:44 PM PDT by ckilmer
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22 posted on 09/22/2020 7:30:57 PM PDT by musicman (The future is just a collection of successive nows.)
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A couple things to review:

Iodine and Cancer
https://www.naturalmedicinejournal.com/journal/2014-06/iodine-and-cancer

An interesting patent with supporting material:
https://patents.google.com/patent/WO1994025040A1/en

It is helping me. I currently take a single Solaray Nettle Root Extract capsule and about 60 mg of Beta-Sitosterol a day (breaking off half a Vitamin Shoppe Beta Sitosterol pill) a day, and now the iodine.

23 posted on 09/23/2020 7:11:50 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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I took 2 grams of fisetin and then 500 mg @day for a month and then another 2 grams. I’ll do that 2 grams once a month.

I can’t say that I saw any big difference except on the day that I took the two grams. That day was bright.

Yeah, when I make the mushroom tea, I drink the tea and eat the grounds as well. I include brocolli sprouts in the tea. I’ll typically buy the sprouts and freeze them and then heat the the water to 158 degrees. (well actually I heat the water higher and then bring the temperature down to 158 degrees with the brocolli sprouts and the mushroom powder.

My prostate is like 180 cc. Huge. I can barely pee. I’m looking at prostate surgery. I’ll try the iodine that you suggest

It looks like you’re not the only one clued into swanson’s kelp. Its sold out. So I bought scottish kelp. Is there a second best kelp that you recommend.

I’ll pick up the Iodoral.


24 posted on 09/23/2020 7:44:31 AM PDT by ckilmer
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There are others ConsumerLab reviewed. Natural Factors Liquid Kelp was one, but it was particularly high (800 mcg of iodine per drop). It was very inexpensive. However, it has potassium iodide added to it, which is the form most used by the thyroid.

Getting elemental/molecular iodine without the potassium is not straightforward, but is possible. Kelp and kelp extract should be elemental/molecular iodine. That form appears in literature to be the one that most diffuses everywhere in the body, not preferred by the thyroid but usable by the thyroid.

If thyroid hormone is what a receptor needs, then we need thyroid hormone to get there. If iodine alone, then elemental/molecular would seem most relevant. Taking kelp on an empty stomach with water would seem to most allow elemental/molecular iodine to work its magic.

The Upper Tolerable Limit is 1,100 mcg of iodine a day. For some people, even doubling the 100% RDA amount can trigger thyroid issues, and 1,100 mcg is nearly 5X that. Why do people have issues?

It seems selenium, magnesium, zinc, Omega-3s and more need to be completely adequate to move beyond normal amounts without creating issues. Up to 50% of people ingesting iodine may get issues, but that goes way down with the other supplements and, ideally, monitoring of thyroid function and antibody status.

One off slightly higher amounts don’t seem a problem, but be aware there is a lot of caution needed for doing higher amounts of iodine. Hypothyroid and thyroid antibody development are not uncommon if caution is not taken. The best approach is in consultation with a doctor familiar with iodine therapy.

25 posted on 09/23/2020 8:57:58 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ckilmer

Have you tried “apigenin?”


26 posted on 09/23/2020 3:00:14 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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Don’t do surgery, if it is that serious. Instead, look into this:

https://www.chesapeakeurology.com/specialties/bph-enlarged-prostate/minimally-invasive-treatments-for-bph/radio-frequency-therapy/


27 posted on 09/23/2020 7:32:30 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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Read this through:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5408066/#!po=17.6768

You can skip to “Etiology of BPH.”

It points to the need to getting fat storage and blood sugar under control. It also speaks to the need for elevated antioxidants, reduction of localized inflammation, and restoration of apoptosis there.

This translates, to me, as a paleo or low carb diet, high in veggies, with iodine to help with localized apoptosis of overly inflamed prostate cells (but don’t mention iodine).

Thoughts?


28 posted on 09/24/2020 1:34:40 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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I read the article. No mention of iodine or kelp. Mentioned quercetin, fisetin and others. Also, mentioned finasteride which I took for years. with success. I stopped because I read articles that said finasteride has bad side effects.

No mention of idodine or kelp

They do say that a line of study is that the prostate gets bigger because dead cells are not carried away. That finasteride helped in this regard. There was some suggestion. that other naturals did the same thing. but not enough evidence to say anything definitive.

Where did you get the idea that iodine would help with BPH.


29 posted on 09/24/2020 3:01:04 PM PDT by ckilmer
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From the references I provided earlier, and some others.


30 posted on 09/24/2020 3:52:34 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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Cogito_ergo_thioneine?

I suppose, if you could find those types of mushrooms in a small town in the Netherlands.

But that would be putting Descartes before DeHorst.

31 posted on 09/24/2020 3:59:33 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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Your #31 is De Bomb.

Well done.

32 posted on 09/24/2020 5:07:16 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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Thanks :)

That one took me a while to put together.


33 posted on 09/24/2020 5:35:46 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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The article which does not mention iodine likely does so because it is not a polyphenol, I just noticed.


34 posted on 09/24/2020 8:43:58 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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