Posted on 05/30/2020 11:35:47 AM PDT by Hildy
For example, I can restrain you with my hand clasped around your wrist ... and you can claim all kinds of squeezing too hard ... but If I'm much stronger than you (and a knee is stronger than a neck so same thing) ... I don't need to squeeze hard, I just need to keep my hand closed.
It's conceivable there were only a few pounds or ounces of pressure in the down direction on his neck -> just enough to keep him from getting out from under it.
Did he pass out because the artery was blocked? Is that what killed him? Can the officer claim he used his knee because of corona and didn't want to hold him with his hand or let George potentially puke on him?
I'm not saying that's what happened ... but if this was a heart attack, and the cop can claim, with support, that the knee was only holding George in place to protect himself from infection ...
Like I said - not arguing for or against ... and it certainly APPEARS to not be legit. But ... Covid defense? Defense that the knee wasn't using much force ... and if it was a heart attack and there is not bruising on the neck? Defense that they KNEW an ambulance was coming (I'm not sure when it was called -> maybe 6 of the 8 minutes was waiting.
The cop LOOKS guilty to me. I'm only presenting the other side because .... well it behoves anyone who cares about this to play prosecutor and play defense. And of course ... we don't know all the facts. Autopsy, toxicology etc.
The cop DOES seem to say 'just get up and get in the car' and George is like 'well get yer damn knee off my neck and I will' (I paraphrase) ... but that seems pretty damning. THAT seems like a cop being an explicit douche.
But why does he continue when he's getting filmed? I mean regardless of what the heck happened -> doesn't he have the self awareness to know this is going to be a nightmare no matter how it turns out? Even if he DID want to hurt George ... why continue while on film when he seemed, at least from the video point of view, to be so obviously unresponsive? Chance that George was faking it? Paranoid of Covid? That seems like the only defense that seems reasonable (reasonable is a stretch)
“Then how could he blame the cop and call it murder?”
He didn’t.
“Maybe he died of a massive stroke. Curious people would want to know that before passing judgement.”
Whatever.
1. The knee pressure on the neck was uncalled for and against regulations.
2. It is required that force be removed as soon. as a person becomes nonresponsive. The cop kept it on for more than two minutes after dude became nonresponsive.
Even IF he had a heart attack the cop disregarded protocols which may have prevented his death.
Dan Bongino on Hannity was horrified that the video showed the officers right foot (the leg not on the neck) was relatively loose and floppy through most of the video. That means that the majority of the offers weight was on the left knee going into George Floyd’s neck. This with the fact that the officer kept his knee on for a further 3 minutes after they found no pulse, waiting for the ambulance to arrive, implies some form of malice.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they bumped up the charge to 2nd degree murder eventually.
Excellent systematic analysis.
I would add when you have multiple officers you can have one on each leg and that lessens the need for head control. His comment was you can use your hand or forearm on the head. that is correct. You can also use a knee on a shoulder blade. one officer should be ready to tase should the end arise, which is rated less-than-lethal on a healthy person.
“”””’1. The knee pressure on the neck was uncalled for and against regulations.”””””””””
So if you do something against regulations it calls for a murder charge?????
Why don’t you want to know the actual cause of death before you hang everyone?
He kept the pressure on for over two minutes after the guy passed out. They totally ignored the fact that the guy passed out and emptied his bladder.
These actions on a restrained person are against all regulations and medical protocols.
well they must not have firearms training since they are obviousy forbidden to use them.
“So if you do something against regulations it calls for a murder charge?????”
I totally resent that mischaracterization!
1. This is not just about regulations. This is about a death of a restrained person.
2. I have posted nothing about wanting a murder charge. In fact I have posted otherwise about the murder charge. Please apologize.
“Why don’t you want to know the actual cause of death before you hang everyone?”
Why don’t you stop with the mischaracterizations. Forget the apology. I know it mean nothing coming from you.
I just can not believe (I mean I CAN ... but I can't) ... that this cop would, for example, actually have been putting lots/all force on the knee on the neck WHILE BEING VEDEO'd.
I mean if this really was as brutal as it appears, the cop's got a case for incompetent to stand trial on the basis of pure stupidity (I'm not really serious). If he IS evil, then he's also very very very stupid. Or maybe he snapped kind of and went into weird mental state. But what the heck were his fellow cops thinking?
It was VERY clear to them they were being video'd. Who, on video, keeps their knee on a guys neck for 8 minutes with enough force to kill him?
I just keep yapping because it doesn't add up. I don't mean 'it doesn't add up and therefore he's innocent' -> it's just ... it's hard enough to imagine anyone being responsible for doing this ... but doing it while ON VIDEO?
Wikid Bizzaah. (Used to live in MA)
“””””’1. This is not just about regulations. This is about a death of a restrained person.”””””””””””””””
Sometimes people die while restrained.
Some people die sitting in a jail cell.
Logical people wait to find the cause of death before accusing people of crimes.
Maybe the guy had drugs on him when the cops approached and he swallowed them to avoid being sent back tp prison for a long time. That has been known to kill many people.
But that is speculation on my part until the actual cause of death is revealed.
I have no problem with that. I have a problem with the listeners and readers.
the tactic is approved by the MPD...good luck with a jury on that one....
A tactic approved if conducted properly. Sloppiness is not a get out of jail free card.
I haven’t seen the cause of death called correctly yet. The actual cause of death was CoVid-19. Yes, a clear case of another CoVid death.
At this point it appears the MPD has major drug corruption problems, along with the Minneapolis city government and its state Department of Justice.
"its allowed by the MPD....change the policy if you dont like it."
"The men killed and wounded in this drive by shooting are in an organization that protects all Federal buildings nationwide including quite a few FBI offices.Most of the Federal work force interact with these men -- they are mostly men -- every day. This is very much a butt puckering event for the Federal work force and my Federal e-mail has threat advisories this morning reflecting this event.
The FBI will be very much on this case in a "Vengeance for Cop-killing" manner."
They did in this case. Once the man in custody was not resisting or threatening to resist, the cops had a sworn duty to cease the use of force and render aid. The dying man verbally agreed that he would comply with their orders and he was clearly in medical distress. In this case, the cops willfully disregard the safety of the man in their custody.
5-303.01 DUTY TO INTERVENEIt shall be the duty of every sworn employee present at any scene
where physical force is being applied to either stop or attempt to
stop another sworn employee when force is being inappropriately applied
or is no longer required.5-306 USE OF FORCE – REPORTING AND POST INCIDENT REQUIREMENTS
As soon as reasonably practical, determine if anyone was injured
and render medical aid consistent with training and request Emergency
Medical Service (EMS) if necessary.Source: http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/police/policy/mpdpolicy_5-300_5-300
Furthermore, every cop knows that irreversible brain damage/death occurs within 3-5 minutes after breathing/circulation stops.
The risk of injury from this tactic is so great that it is forbidden by most LEO's. Minneapolis is being burned down now because the MPD lets officers do it anyway.
Don’t be a pinhead. The dying man was restrained, not actively resisting, and in medical distress. The cops willfully disregarded their sworn duty to cease the use of force and render aid to the man in their custody.
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