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Flubros and Flubras! Day 60 (a place for Flubros and Flubras)
www.freerepublic.com ^ | 18 May 2020 | Impimp

Posted on 05/18/2020 4:36:47 AM PDT by impimp

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To: bagster

Isn’t that the same thing that happens in elections.


141 posted on 05/18/2020 5:32:13 PM PDT by CJ Wolf ( #wwg1wga #gin&tonic #Godwins)
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To: impimp
I think you will appreciate this, by the grace of God. See here on Quora for updated versions:

The predicted dire need for hospital beds did not overall materialize, while most of those who were infected and died have been among those who are quarantined, especially elder care facilities which account for over 40% of US deaths.[1]

Up to about 80 percent of those infected with COVID-19 are estimated to be silent carriers, [2] meaning they show no symptoms (the New York City labor and delivery unit found 88 percent of infected patients had no symptoms, [3] while over 600 sailors on the coronavirus-stricken aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt tested positive, yet 60% of them had no symptoms such as fever, fatigue, or cough,[4]and in four U.S. state prisons nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus yet 96% were without symptoms[5] and or recover without medical care[6]) Which means that the infected fatality rate is much lower than the misleading case fatality rate that is usually quoted.

Meanwhile the vast majority of those who die because it are 65 years-old or more[7] and with almost 25% of all documented Covid-assigned (which does not mean the subject was tested for Covid) fatalities in the US (91,976 as of May 18 at 8:49PM EDT) are from New York (28,480)[8] and according to one report 54% of all U.S. deaths were in the 100 counties in or within 100 miles of NYC.

And the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that almost 90 percent of U.S. coronavirus patients who have been hospitalized had underlying health problems, or comorbidities.[9]

And which relates to the issue of inaccurate fatality numbers, partly due to the problem of determining the actual cause of death and the CDC guidelines which allow for reporting COVID-19 as the “probable” or “presumed” cause on the death certificate if the certifier even suspects COVID-19 was likely (e.g., the circumstances were compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), the cause.[10] Which resulted in NYC suddenly adding 3,700 additional people to its death count[11](also, Federal legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment[12]), leading to charges of over-counting[13][14] while Pennsylvania removed some after coroner reports.[15] Later, Colorado’s Health Department revised their official coronavirus death count from 1,150 as of May 15 downward to 878 (a reduction of 23.7 percent) and created two separate distinguishing categories, one of people who died directly because of the virus and another of people who had COVID-19 at their time of death but died of other causes that may not be attributable to the virus.[16][17] However, some others believe the problem is more that of under-counting. [18]

Also, another study finds that the risk of coronavirus spreading in schools is 'extremely low'.[19]

And while states continue to parrot the “stay sheltered” mantra, research shows that sunlight destroys virus quickly[20], and even a Department of Homeland Security official affirmed that increasing temperatures, humidity and sunlight are detrimental to coronavirus saliva droplets on surfaces and in the air.[21]

Yet miles upon miles of parks and public waterfronts are shutdown, and for too long NY put infected persons in nursing homes[22] (and as of April 26, about 40 percent of COVID-19 deaths were in the state of New York alone. New Jersey was in second place, with nearly 5,900[23]yet the death rate is uncritically employed to justify nationwide lockdowns) while in states such as Illinois law-breaking prisoners were released from their “quarantine” - including some “high risk” sexual offenders[24] and some convicted of murder - [25] and almost a third of county jail inmates have been released from facilities during the coronavirus pandemic.[26] Meanwhile over 2,000[27] of the most vulnerable souls a day in “quarantine” - their mother’s womb - are murdered, many by the same persons claim to be for protecting the vulnerable.

Finally, the extremely restrictive all-ages long-term response to COVID-19 simply has precedent in American history except to the a degree that of the 1918 fu (in which baseball was still played).

The Asian flu pandemic of 1957-1958 resulted in a estimated 116,000 deaths in America[28] (followed by the Hong Kong flu with about est. 100,000 American deaths in 1968–69), when at about 173,000,000, the population size in 57-58 was close to half of what it is now (330,541,000, rounded figures).

Meaning that not only was the infection death rate much higher than for COVID-19, but there would have to be about 200,000 COVID-19 est. deaths to be comparable to the Asian flu as regards percentaged of population. Yet that would simply make it basically equal as concerns the numbers of deaths in proportion to population size, but to justify the "CovidCaptivity," one would have to argue that the Asian flu should have necessitated a response like that to COVID-19. The Soviets would have favored that for sure.

The question then is, where was the COVID-19 comparative response in 57-58 in proportion to its threat? Yes, the 116,000 deaths in America to the Asian flu was for the whole year, yet even if we reach about 200,000 deaths (we pray not) for COVID-19 then that type of equality would still mean that the extremely restrictive all-ages long-term response to COVID-19 simply has no precedent in American history, except to a degree with the far more deadly (550,000 to 675,000 Americans, or 0.66% of the population) 1918 flu.

And during which medics found that severely ill flu patients nursed outdoors recovered better than those treated indoors. A combination of fresh air and sunlight seems to have prevented deaths among patients; and infections among medical staff. [29]

Finally, last but not least, the cost for the “cure” as meaning preventing deaths via the stay-sheltered COVID captivity will be more costly in lives and money than a more moderate response that would allow for a faster rise in cases but a better decrease and overall more healthy populace in the long run. [30][31][32]

Footnotes

[1] STAGGERING: Nursing Home Residents Account for a Whopping 43.4% of COVID-19 Deaths, Even Though They're Less Than 1% of the U.S. Population
[2] Coronavirus Outbreak: Daily Updates
[3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/20/we-tested-all-our-patients-covid-19-found-lots-asymptomatic-cases/
[4] Coronavirus clue? Most cases aboard U.S. aircraft carrier are symptom-free
[5] In four U.S. state prisons, nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus -- 96% without symptoms
[6] The basics on the coronavirus: What you need to know as the US becomes the new epicenter of COVID-19
[7] CDC: 80 percent of US coronavirus deaths are people 65 and older
[8] New York Coronavirus: 361,266 Cases and 28,480 Deaths (COVID-19 )
[9] Hospitalization Rates and Characteristics of Patients Hospitalized ...
[10] Technical Notes: Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19)
[11] N.Y.C. Death Toll Soars Past 10,000 in Revised Virus Count
[12] Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators
[13] As US coronavirus death toll mounts, so does the belief by some that it is exaggerated
[14] Death Toll Conspiracy: Why Conservative Media—And Soon, Possibly Trump—Are Doubting Coronavirus Mortality Figures
[15] Pennsylvania Takes Hundreds of 'Probable' COVID Deaths Off Books After Coroners Come Forward
[16] Colorado's state health dept. revises method of counting COVID-19 deaths; 878 deaths as of Friday - KRDO
[17] Case data | Colorado COVID-19 Updates
[18] How are COVID-19 deaths counted?
[19] Risk of coronavirus spreading in schools is 'extremely low' study finds 
[20] https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/04/17/sunlight-destroys-virus-quickly-new-govt-tests-find-but-experts-say-pandemic-could-last-through-summer
[21] https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-04-23/us-official-sunlight-heat-humidity-could-help-kill-coronavirus
[22] How States Turned Nursing Homes Into ‘Slaughter Houses’ By Forcing Them to Admit Discharged COVID-19 Patients | Jon Miltimore
[23] New York vs. Texas: NY Has Nearly 50 Times More COVID-19 Deaths Per Capita | Ryan McMaken
[24] CA Gov. Frees Seven ‘High Risk’ Sex Offenders, Orders Beaches Closed, All In Same County - LaCorte News
[25] Almost 4,000 inmates released from IL prisons, 64 convicted of murder
[26] One Third Of Jail Inmates Nationwide Set Free in Unprecedented Coronavirus Jailbreak - Big League Politics
[27] Induced Abortion in the United States
[28] 1957-1958 Pandemic (H2N2 virus)
[29] Coronavirus and the Sun: a Lesson from the 1918 Influenza Pandemic
[30] Stanford University doctor: 'You are mistaken' if you think coronavirus lockdowns provide safety
[31] Thanks to COVID-19, Social Security’s day of reckoning may be even closer than we thought
[32] Workers opt for unemployment as benefits exceed job pa

142 posted on 05/20/2020 4:30:59 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212

Great info! I will attempt to link to it tomorrow.


143 posted on 05/20/2020 5:00:10 PM PDT by impimp
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