Posted on 03/02/2020 3:07:25 AM PST by Bull Snipe
And yet they did exactly that.
Lincoln did not sign the Corwin Amendment, President Buchanan did. Lincoln also he not endorse it. He passed it on to the states for ratification as was his constitutional duty. He believed it changed nothing about the constitution and the republicans would still be able to ban it from the territories.
Whatever claims about tariffs made by the rebels are dwarfed by their statements that it was about slavery.
Lincoln did finally sign and endorsed with a letter the 13th amendment ending slavery in America. Lincoln had hated slavery from an early age, his father and mother were both abolitionists. This is the reason they moved to a free state when Lincoln was a boy.
He took a trip selling goods down the Mississippi as a young man. His partner in this, John Hanks, write this about Lincoln’s reaction when they arrived in New Orleans;
“There it was we Saw Negroes Chained — maltreated — whipt & scourged[.] Lincoln Saw it – his heart bled – Said nothing much — was silent from feeling — was Sad — looked bad — felt bad — was thoughtful & abstracted — I Can say Knowingly that it was on this trip that he formed his opinions of Slavery: it ran its iron in him then & there — “
It is a lie of the most odious type to sag Lincoln wasn’t against slavery.
So then he had legal control of them. Lee could sell them, rent them, or free them when he wanted, and not his wife. Sounds like he was sole owner to me.
And George Custis's will mandated the slaves be freed within five years after his death, not when the debts were paid off. Lee was a few months late in doing that, which is understandable since he was busy rebelling and all.
For the states to have reserved the power of secession they would have to have had that power at the adoption of the constitution, they did not. A legal procedure is spelled out in the document that covers it. Their had been no legal secession anywhere in the western world to that point. The first one I have discovered was Iceland seceding from Denmark which started in 1869 and was finalized in 1944.
The states that reserve a right reserved it to the people, but even so it has no standing in the law of the constitution. For the constitution is “The supreme law of the land and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.”
Ron Chernow was even more clear in his autobiography of Grant on what the status of the slaves actually was. Those slaves belonged to Frederick Dent and while Julia Dent Grant had use of them she never held title. The reason for this is that Frederick Dent did not like is son-in-law and truly detested his daughter's anti-slavery father-in-law. Dent feared that if he gave ownership if the slaves to Julia then Grant, as husband, would free the slaves and there would be nothing Dent could do about it.
You are aware, are you not, that by the time the Corwin Amendment passed out of Congress and was sent to the states in March 1861 the original seven Confederate states had announced their secession, selected a president, and adopted a constitution that protected slavery to a far greater extent than the Corwin Amendment did? Did you really expect them to call it all off?
“And George Custis’s will mandated the slaves be freed within five years after his death, not when the debts were paid off.”
That is incorrect.
From the Custis Will
“And upon the legacies to my four granddaughters being paid, and my estates that are required to pay the said legacies being clear of debt, then I give freedom to my slaves, the said slaves to be emancipated by my executors in such manner as to my executors may seem most expedient and proper, the said emancipation to be accomplished in not exceeding five years from the time of my decease”
I know
The Army in this case say no thanks to Marine commandant stupidity thankfully
Those slaves were the property of Lee’s wife Mary until they were freed. She was Custis’ heir.
From the Custis Will:
“I give and bequeath to my dearly beloved daughter and only child, Mary Ann Randolph Lee, my Arlington House estate, in the county of Alexandria and State of Virginia, containing eleven hundred acres, more or less, and my mill on Four-Mile Run, in the county of Alexandria, and the lands of mine adjacent to said mill, in the counties of Alexandria and Fairfax, in the State of Virginia, the use and benefit of all just mentioned during the term of her natural life, together with my horses and carriages, furniture, pictures, and plate, during the term of her natural life”
No mention of her being given the slaves in the will.
The only place the Custis slaves are mentioned in the will
“then I give freedom to my slaves, the said slaves to be emancipated by my executors in such manner as to my executors may seem most expedient and proper, the said emancipation to be accomplished in not exceeding five years from the time of my decease.”
Try cotton and all things ag related.
It is kind of hard to wear a cannon and eat bricks if you lived in the north.
Like I said, do some research before you just let go with BS
So, I will leave it at that and bid you a farewell.
Try cotton and all things ag related.
Those items are not manufactured, they are grown. Yes the South grew prodigious quantities of cotton, tobacco and rice. But they manufactured very little. There were 110,000 manufacturing operations in the North employing 1.3 million people. In the South there were 18,000 thousand manufacturing operations employing 110,000 people.
do some research before you just let go with BS
Not a ruse and Congress cannot create a state from the territory of an existing state.
unconstitutionally.
Allow me to blockade your home, You cannot leave, you cannot get groceries, go to the doctor witth a sick kid , you cannot leave your home, and you are forced to starve to death at gun point. you surrender NOW And we will let you go to the store but you will be taxed 50% or everything you make and we will supply the bread at whatever price we want to charge. You, your w ife and children become indentured servants of the local politicians. And I will kill anyone in your household who lifts a finger in protest. Your move.. And if you do a dam thing Iwill let your clone brothers kill you
Weird, then, that it was the confederate army that was starving in tattered uniforms.
Yes I’m perfectly well aware Buchanan signed it. Go back and read what I wrote. I said the president signed it. I did not say Lincoln signed it. Lincoln arranged it. He endorsed it in his inaugural address...but Buchanan signed it before he came to office. He also used all of his influence to get states to pass it and managed to get 3 of them to do so.
The Corwin Amendment would have explicitly protected slavery in the constitution effectively forever.
Southerners had long complained about the tariff and unequal federal government expenditures. Violating the Fugitive Slave Act of the constitution was unconstitutional however while the Tariff and sectional partisan legislation and expenditures were not.
The 13th amendment is irrelevant to this discussion. It did not even come up until years later. Lincoln himself was no abolitionist and went to great pains to say so numerous times. Nobody said he wasn’t against slavery. He was however not an abolitionist.
No. Lee could not free them until the estate’s debts had been paid off. He was required to free them once that happened. No matter how much you try to weasel here, Lee was not the owner.
And Custis’ will said when the debts are paid off or 5 years at the most. So you are wrong about that. Lee performed his duty as executor to the best of his ability given he was kinda busy leading the Army of Northern Virginia at the time.
You have it exactly backward. For the states to have surrendered the right to unilateral secession they would have had to have explicitly said so in the constitution. They did not. Therefore they retained that power. Read the 10th Amendment. The Constitution is a treaty between the states. A sovereign state can withdraw from a treaty if it so chooses and countries including the US do so all the time.
The Supremacy clause applies ONLY to those powers the sovereign states delegated (ie what a superior does with a subordinate) to the federal government. They never delegated the power to prevent secession.
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