Reagan on the Deep State in 1975

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[Steve Van Doorn]

I agree. The real question is what to do about it?

[Pelham]

“”Mark Levin with whom I often disagree on some things sharply. Coined the Administrative State long ago”

I’d be curious to see how much “the Administrative State” differs at all from James Burnham’s seminal “The Managerial Revolution” of 1941, a work that greatly influenced Sam Francis and paleoconservative circles.

And Sam Francis was the proto-Trump; I have little doubt that Trump is very familiar with Francis. You’ll see that in this 1996 essay from Chronicles Magazine:

https://www.unz.com/print/Chronicles-1996mar-00012

[Pelham]

“As I understand, the DS has been around since at least Andrew Jackson.”

It couldn’t have been. That was the era of The Spoils System, when Presidents brought in their own team to run the agencies of gov’t. Of which there weren’t all that many.

There were plenty of abuses due to the spoils system, so Civil Service Reform was passed as a remedy during the Arthur administration, 1883.

Now we can see that the current civil service system has brought another danger, a permanent gov’t that sees itself as the rightful ruler of the country. This cannot stand.

[Pelham]

“It does make you wonder how long the USA Gov Machine has been ignoring The People and simply doing what they want to do. I suspect it has been going on since the 50’s.”

Maybe more like during Lyndon Johnson and afterwards. Government became dramatically bigger and more intrusive thanks to the Great Society that GOP moderates and liberals stupidly helped Lyndon Johnson pass into law.

[Pelham]

Reagan challenged Nixon for the nomination in 1968 as well.

[wardaddy]

I saw Tucker Carlson on YouTube talking to a conservative group in the Bay Area trumpeted a similar vein how the dems abandoned the middle classes for minorities of any stripe and elites

And so on

Populism but not claiming the mantle...

Another first I heard from Levin who aggravates it’s both was the notion of pseudo events

An observation which dares from the post war years

Trump and his ethnonationalistic populism which is admittedly a very loose fit was made possible by a realignment of the parties primarily over borders

[Pelham]

” Eisenhower’s massive taxes “

Since Congress controls tax law it’s bizarre that you think that those taxes were Eisenhower’s doing. Moreover he had a Republican Congress for only two years, ‘52 to ‘54.

Those same tax rates had been in effect since WWII. And due to a plethora of exemptions in the tax code the effective rate was never the 90% top rate.

[Pelham]

“I don’t ever recall RR talking about the deeps state while he was President...do you?”

He didn’t. It’s a new term in American politics. A borrowing from the study of foreign countries that have a history of permanent governing classes that don’t change.

[Pelham]

“For what I can tell, Eisenhower had the dreaded Bush Disease - government is the answer.”

You apparently don’t know much about Eisenhower’s presidency.

[DouglasKC]

He didn’t. It’s a new term in American politics. A borrowing from the study of foreign countries that have a history of permanent governing classes that don’t change.

No I meant that in this clip he talked about the permanent employee class as being a big problem...but I'm wondering if he ever made it an issue during his presidency..

[Jim W N]

You don’t have a problem calling them “Reagan Tax Cuts” do you?

[newfreep]

Eisenhower’s military industrial complex speech should have been the "education & media industrial complex" that has caused far more damage than any "military industrial complex"...

...and we may never be able to recover from that damage.

[Pelham]

“You don’t have a problem calling them “Reagan Tax Cuts” do you?”

Why would I? Reagan ran on tax cuts. Ike didn’t.

In your World of Confused Logic, you blame Ike for tax rates that his administration inherited, rates which the 1952-54 Republican Congress never tried to reduce.

Which is what it takes since tax cuts are entirely up to Congress. All that Presidents can do is request that someone sponsor a bill.

“Reagan’s tax cuts” in actuality were the doing of the Congress that passed the 1981 Kemp-Roth ERTA bill.

Reagan got most of what he wanted because he had a cooperative Congress that was sold on the idea, and which had previously passed the capital gains reduction during the Carter years.

In your critique of the Eisenhower administration you manage to miss the fact that Ike’s first three budgets were all lower than Truman’s last year and that he had budget surpluses in fiscal years ‘56, ‘57 and ‘60. A far cry from the ahistorical nonsense you attributed to him.

[Jim W N]

Eisenhower could have vetoed those tax hikes, right? Why didn’t he?

I don’t think you get that at the time, people like Reagan thought that Eisenhower was more part of the problem than the solution.

I think Eisenhower was like his VP Nixon. Both thought government was the big deal. GOP Party guys - what become known later as GOPe. Guys like Ford and Rockefeller. I think so.

Don’t get you panties in a wad here. It’s OK to have a reasonable discussion and disagree about some person or other without coming unglued.

[SaveFerris]

[ Kind of puts his assassination attempt into a new light doesn’t it? ]

Yes, it does. After all we’ve seen lately. And GHWB was friends with his parents, was he not? Can’t remember.

[Pelham]

"Eisenhower could have vetoed those tax hikes, right? Why didn’t he?"

Eisenhower didn't veto those tax hikes because he was an Army general when they were passed. Franklin Roosevelt was President.

You seem to have a hazy understanding of when events occurred in mid 20th century America, which I suppose explains your other ideas about the politics of that era.

"I think Eisenhower was like his VP Nixon. Both thought government was the big deal. GOP Party guys - what become known later as GOPe. Guys like Ford and Rockefeller. I think so."

No one who is familiar with Eisenhower's administration and how he governed would agree with that.

In the Eisenhower years approximately 2/3 of the federal budget went to defense spending, and Eisenhower reduced that spending.

His speech warning of the military-industrial complex was precisely about need to hold down government spending in the area where it was greatest.

There was exactly one new federal department created during the Eisenhower's years, HEW, Health, Education & Welfare, and it was a reorganization of the Federal Security Agency of 1939, a reorganization proposed before he took office.

HEW was composed of the FDA, the Public Health Service, Social Security, the Office of Education, the Office of Vocational Rehab, and St Elizabeth's Mental Hospital in D.C.

The massive growth of domestic spending and the years when it occurred can be seen in the chart below. The majority of it occurs post 1965 with Lyndon Johnson's Great Society

[Jim W N]

Comapring bad (Eisenhower) to worse (Johnson) doesn't prove much except that the Flaming Dems are worse than the GOPe.

Graph of Eisenhower's budget proposals over his administration - bigger government and more taxes.