Posted on 09/03/2019 9:24:11 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Realist? Is that what we call traitors now a days?
Economics aside I still think there are valid reasons to keep the fight against China:
1) It is more ethical arguably to import products from Vietnam India and Bangladesh than a Christian persecuting prison labor using China.
2) A trade war is a way the US can respond to Chinese atrocities against Hong Kong without military intervention
This is a Garbage Article by the same globalists usual suspects...
Here’s the reality...
Study after Study has shown that labor costs, while certainly lower in other places, do not remotely impact the end price of products as much as the globalists folks like to claim they do.
If you have a very, very labor intensive manufacturing process, then yes, labor costs are a large part of your end cost per item... however, very very very few things have huge human involvement in them anymore.... Most manufacturing is automated, and human involvement in the manufacturing process is very small per item produced.
When you factor in that US Worker productivity is among the best in the world, the cost of labor as part of your overall product is generally not that much different. Is it different? Is it a major difference in most indutstries and products, no.
Remember, this is the same crap that Obama and Hillary and their minions were telling you in 2008-2016, just get used to it those jobs aren’t coming back....
Yet we lost over 300k manufacturing jobs under OBama’s 8 years, and gained over 300k in just 2.5 years under Trump.
Don’t fall for this CRAP... We no longer live in a world where manufacturing is human involvement through the entire process... at least not in MOST industries.
Labor costs are an ever decreasing percentage of the cost of a product, no matter where they are manufactured or assembled... We are a far cry from the 1950s.
Agree completely.
And if what the writer says is true, then the whole argument “tariffs are taxes on Americans” falls apart. Instead production just shifts to other low wage countries.
My eyebrows also went up on the claim that wages have tripled since 2008 in China. Is that a loose fact? That just doesn’t pass the smell test for me.
Wages also are not everything. Not sure how many Americans know their history but production moved from Europe and England to America in the 1800s despite the fact Americas had HIGHER wages.
I have had the pleasure of witnessing several manufacturing job’s return to the US. Using new robotics, i have seen several young entrepreneurs start to supply custom , performance enhanced car parts from their 3D robotic printers. Those jobs are coming back, but not to factories like they used to be in. Most of them i have seen are small businesses using cutting edge technology.
The USA had protective tariffs which also funded the US Government. win - win.
I was not aware of that. How good of a deal do they get? Is that part of the war of words between Bezos and Trump? I do know that shipping is back ended on products marketed through Amazon. Meaning “free shipping” just means the third party seller ate the shipping costs on their product.
Was thinking about that the other day. How it would take Russia decades if it was wanting to try, to rebuild its military state of war it had in the early 1980s. Not a single person, maybe not even Reagan, could have imagined that the USA would have 10 times the military budget or Russia now.
Using those 30 foot wide stalls in business parks?
When I lived in Seattle I worked with a few parts vendors for Boeing. Some of them worked out of their garages or those business park spaces. A lot of manufacturing goes on like that - to this day.
The only problem is that every single employee needed will come from the right side of the Bell Curve.
Traitor is what communists call anyone who doesn't go along with their mindless agenda. Realists recognize the truth for what it is and work to mitigate the problem by finding solutions. Most agent provocateurs, traitors to a cause, hold communist views since rarely do freedom loving, independently minded people resort to such radical name calling.
Something we’ve heard before, I think.
Vietnam, India, Indonesia and Bangladesh
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That is still preferable to China.
China is an enemy.
How 'bout a counter argument based on reason instead of just being one yourself?
I am no fan of ObaMao, but I do recollect it was either the Clinton or Bush II administration which got China awarded with most favored nation status under the idiotic globalist theory that more trade would encourage them to be more peaceful.
.I hope companies understand that the USA is leaving the Postal Union on 10/17/2019
Following the Trump letter to the Postal Union on 10/17/2018 giving a 1 year notice
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That’s freaking huge.
Good points. So, what are the real reasons manufacturing has and is still declining in America?
Some mentioned:
Needed tort reform
Lack of skilled labor
One not mentioned, which Trump is working to improve, is burdensome regulation.
Another, IMO, is the above makes it difficult for small business to compete with large established conglomerates. This is where Trump needs to concentrate a lot of his effort.
Newer technologies means we don't really need as many mega factories. For just one small example, my 3d printer allows me to produce models and even parts for the ideas and prototypes I'm working on.
Small business and entrepreneurs need a level playing field in order to compete with mega-corps and government who write the laws in their favor. Same as Chinese mom and pop enterprises and others around the world.
A simple thing would be for governments to remove all tariffs for those involved in small business with annual gross incomes below a certain amount.
This alone would cause small business worldwide to flourish. They would in turn hire and train more workers to meet their needs. This is well within Trump's authority to implement. It's what I mean by using the methods available to him in a thoughtful manner.
“I can not see who will win this one”
I really doubt we will win the big war with China. China is a very united country. A high percentage of our native born population believes the US is unjust and evil. How many of the illegals will pick up arms and defend the US? Heck they would not even try to make their own countries successful.
The Greatest Generation we now longer have.
I suspect China has chips with back door virus in all our important military equipment.
WWIII will make Pearl Harbor looks like childs play and trust me China wants to be the top dog. Our allies are worthless they don’t care. None of them are supporting Trump and his fight against the Chinese.
OSHA, the EPA, and tort can be pretty good though.
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