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The Case for More Occupational Training, Not a four-year-college-for-all educational strategy
National Review ^ | 08/02/2019 | Robert Cherry

Posted on 08/02/2019 8:52:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 08/02/2019 8:52:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Mike Rowe is a huge supporter of trade/tech schools.


2 posted on 08/02/2019 8:54:43 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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The only thing that scares me about this is that the government has a really crappy track record of predicting what jobs will be in demand 5 to 8 years out.


3 posted on 08/02/2019 8:57:14 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve worked with some pretty dumb people with masters’ degrees. Meanwhile, some of the most successful and rich people alive didn’t go to college or dropped out.

One of my friends got a C average in community college for two years. The sole reason? His dad died early on and he needed the C average so that SS would pay his tuition. He then became a baggage handler at an airport. He and I met at Boeing’s COBOL tech school. It was a 10 month night school course for $2,300.

He became CIO of a fortune 500 company and cashed out 9 mil in stock options after serving for 11 or 12 years in that role.

My brother in law is a billionaire with no college. He started his own business.

In fact, my son became a multimillionaire with no college. As he hobnobs with other millionaire’s in the Chicago area he discovered something interesting. He told me that the one thing all those people in those disgustingly nice homes have in common is this:

They own their own business.


4 posted on 08/02/2019 8:58:50 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We're living in Dr. Zhivago but without the love triangle)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sounds like a case for public executions and convict labor.


5 posted on 08/02/2019 8:59:08 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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Unfortunately, teen employment has collapsed... Maintaining current levels of low-skilled immigration, which many liberals favor, can only make that problem worse.

Liberals never want to talk about the link between cheap immigrant labor and black unemployment.

6 posted on 08/02/2019 9:05:26 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady (FOX has flipped. I am breaking the FOX habit. I have OANN on my Bookmark Bar now. No more FOX.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve known plenty of people in the trades who make as good, if not better, money than college grads. Especially college grads with BS crap degrees.


7 posted on 08/02/2019 9:05:36 AM PDT by BBQToadRibs
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To: SeekAndFind

I was thinking about this the past 2 days and came up with this. Rehab blighted homes in the slums with trainers in everything from flooring, roofing, electrical, HVAC, framing, welding, plumbing, landscaping, sidewalk and street building. Have trainers there guiding residents through the process with certification given when proficient. The houses and streets can then be turned over to those rebuilding the above at low costs and have police & neighborhood protection placed into the rebuilt areas. Continue to expand and rebuild the neighborhoods while giving new and marketable skills to the inhabitants. Something like that amyway.


8 posted on 08/02/2019 9:05:46 AM PDT by Harpotoo (Being a socialist is a lot easier than having to WORK like the rest of US:-))
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To: wastedyears

I went to Empire Tech School in the basement of the Empire State Building after I came out of the service. Was certified in Data Processing back then. Got a job right out of graduation and am enjoying my 39th year in IT. Not a damn thing wrong with Vocational/Tech schools.


9 posted on 08/02/2019 9:08:28 AM PDT by Harpotoo (Being a socialist is a lot easier than having to WORK like the rest of US:-))
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To: SeekAndFind

“After a brief enrollment at the University of Memphis, he did not gain paid employment.”

What did he expect after a brief enrollment, Executive Vice President? What courses did he attempt? Social Justice 101: Hating Whitey As A Way Of Life? I am a big believer in vocational education, but this article does not address the facts. Why would his behavior change so? Leftist influence and indoctrination into victim culture is my guess. Colleges are infested with commie rats.


10 posted on 08/02/2019 9:10:16 AM PDT by bk1000 (I stand with Trump)
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“After a brief enrollment at the University of Memphis,”

He may have found out when he got to college that his public school education did not prepare him for what he had gotten in to.


11 posted on 08/02/2019 9:18:48 AM PDT by suthener
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To: SeekAndFind

George W. Bush deserves a good amount of the blame here. His disastrous No Child Left Behind Act does not test for trade knowledge. And since schools live and die by their test scores, most high schools dropped their trade programs.

I taught in an urban high school that had an excellent carpentry program. We graduated carpenters who were ready to work the day after they graduated.

But NCLB does not test for carpentry. So the entire program was eliminated. And the carpentry kids were shoved into classes they neither wanted nor needed.

Thanks for nothing, George.


12 posted on 08/02/2019 9:24:18 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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While I was teaching in NYC public high schools, I was always a strong advocate for vo-ed. While a lot of my colleagues looked at me like I had committed some heinous act, the current craze being phrases like "Every child can learn" and "Everyone should go to college", I observed with my own eyes that many kids who would act out in my science class would be model citizens in any kind of shop class. They could not sit still, they had to be kinetic. That kid who was doodling in his notebook or looking out the window? Put a hammer or a meter in his hand, and he was all-in. The libtards did not pick up on this at all; to them, going into the trades was some kind of lower track for students, so everyone was pushed to go to college, whether it was right for them or not. Of course, it became a racial thing, with the libtards claiming blacks were not encouraged to go to college and were instead encouraged to go into trades.

We see the horrendous results of "Everyone should go to college", with illiterate, math-ignorant, non-critical thinkers flooding campuses everywhere. Unable to do the work, they latch onto "causes" and hold up those posters the libtards and commies shove into their hands. Sorry to say, these types don't usually end up as useful citizens, but often life-long welfare recipients.

And then we have the libtards bending over backwards to bring uneducated unskilled illegal criminal invaders into our country. They take the jobs which were traditionally entry level jobs for our teens to learn a work ethic in and to earn college money or money for other worthy purposes. So we have all these teens with no way to get work experience while they're very young.

Is it any wonder they turn to crime? They are unable to do useful work and there are no entry level jobs for them anyway.

13 posted on 08/02/2019 9:25:17 AM PDT by EinNYC
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$100/hr. plumbers don’t have outstanding student loans.


14 posted on 08/02/2019 9:25:57 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Buckeye McFrog
the government has a really crappy track record of predicting what jobs will be in demand 5 to 8 years out.

I don't think we need to put all our faith in the government when it comes to predicting job demand. We can take Department of Labor standards and throw them into the decision-making process, but you can look at online job ads and see where the demand is.

15 posted on 08/02/2019 9:34:54 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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It’s a known thing that a lot of people like this get a free ride to college which they are probably not prepared for, party for a couple years and drop out when it finally is obvious they can’t meet even mediocre standards.
The Lefties pushing college for all are not doing them any favors.


16 posted on 08/02/2019 9:36:25 AM PDT by GnuThere
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To: cuban leaf

Best anecdotal story I’ve heard in awhile, about the merits of conservative discipline and self respect in young adults, vs self absorption.
I know bad circumstances and poverty in a Godless culture can cause some “self absorption”. These young men are lost in a battle for survival, after all.

Remember when at age 18 men were called by Uncle Sam and even Christian chaplains were near by and mixing in with recruits and career military? It seems good that since al that is gone, now, that it be replaced with a requirement for mandatory vocational training, for all neighborhoods that the college bound are extinct and who fall below the poverty line?
A few Christian chaplains running around wouldn’t hurt, either.

Great story, CL. Thanks.


17 posted on 08/02/2019 9:55:05 AM PDT by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Publik Skools/Academia are the Marxists Farm Team for more coming. Infinitum.)
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this article seems to meander from one idea to another.....

we're supposed to have a crisis now because young black men are not finishing college and getting into trouble....

its the young white men I worry about....they're the ones who are discriminated against....

but if in this long winded posting the author just wanted to say that college is overrated, its graduates over paid, its worth overstated, then I agree.....

college is not for everyone, and sometimes its for people that really do not know how to actually work....

get us our blue collar solid work opportunities back and it would be a godsend for many young men, or women, who don't have the patience for sociology,political science,communications, et all that fills college curriculum.

18 posted on 08/02/2019 10:03:25 AM PDT by cherry
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Community colleges are wasting to much of the students valuable time. Summers off. Throw in Christmas and Easter vacations allow for too much free, unserious time. I say right out of High School. 12 months.


19 posted on 08/02/2019 10:44:18 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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Allow them to try another related field after 5-7 years. Continuing education.


20 posted on 08/02/2019 10:45:21 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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