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Marijuana, Mental Illness, and Violence
Imprimis ^ | Jan 2019 | Alex Berenson

Posted on 06/07/2019 7:40:00 PM PDT by Persevero

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To: Persevero

Yes but many psychoactive compounds found in plants have medical uses for many people

Most legal ones are actually more dangerous and impair more when improperly used than THC (sleeping pills, antianxiety, antidepression, antipsychotic). Yet many of these more dangerous plants can be sold OTC. Far more dangerous compounds can be prescribed by a doctor in all 50 states even to children if they feel it will help. Yet cannabis is treated worse than things like morphine by fedzilla.

Cannabis without Rx should not be defined as “recreational use” like we consider alcohol drinking. Since it has medical properties for many people, it should be considered more the equivalent of taking OTC herbs than drinking alcohol.

Countless people of all walks of life have improved their lives with cannabis. From children with seizures to veterans with trauma. To hard working professionals who are too anxious to sleep/eat and no other drug helped.


141 posted on 06/09/2019 11:59:56 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

Again, I am not arguing against medical use. If there is legit and not trumped up medical applications I have no objection.


142 posted on 06/10/2019 9:20:50 AM PDT by Persevero (Desmond is not -Amazing- Desmond is -Abused-)
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To: MarvinStinson
Noble free’s authority

Three words in and wrong already - I made no argument from authority, but gave a link to arguments that FReepers can evaluate for themselves. You see, Marvin, many FReepers think rather than, say, grunt out knee-jerk frothings about Soros.

143 posted on 06/10/2019 10:24:47 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Persevero
None of them make anywhere near what drug traffickers make - because only the drug traffickers' crime is one all of whose direct participants want to succeed, and so rarely goes detected much less punished.

The trafficked children, financial institutions etc don’t want criminals to succeed.

Exactly my point.

It is easy to see they end up dead or in prison. Virtually all of them.

I see nothing of the sort. Have any evidence for your claim?

How many billions has it cost to fight any crime?

For the money we spend on fighting the right-violating crime of murder, we get a 2-in-3 rate of cases solved (FBI figures). For our annual tens of billions spent on drug crimes, how many do you reckon are even detected much less solved ... 2 in 30,000 maybe?

144 posted on 06/10/2019 10:30:10 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Persevero
These are not “natural plants” they are heavily genetically modified. [...] It is true we refine plants.

So you concede that they are natural plants, contrary to your previous claim?

145 posted on 06/10/2019 10:32:23 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: CodeToad

Since few understand science, this could also be those prone to schiz are perhaps three times more likely to smoke pot.
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Dope heads ALWAYS deny any negatives about their dope.


146 posted on 06/10/2019 11:06:16 AM PDT by Valk Rider
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To: Valk Rider

It’s a type of Stockholm Syndrome. They are hostage to the substance that drives their life. They are high from sunup to sundown.

Yet there are other users who only use it specifically. You get a good Indica like Afghan Kush and you have a great sleep aid. My BIL uses a Sativa for chronic pain so he can work.


147 posted on 06/10/2019 11:11:45 AM PDT by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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To: NobleFree

It depends on the definition.

They are seeds, they do photosynthesis, they grow. In that sense they are natural. They are not compounded in a laboratory.

They have also been heavily genetically modified andnhave a lot more thx then they did for millennia. In that sense they are not natural.


148 posted on 06/10/2019 11:13:27 AM PDT by Persevero (Desmond is not -Amazing- Desmond is -Abused-)
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To: NobleFree

Do I have evidence for my claim?

My claim is that crime doesn’t pay. There are outliers.

Do you have evidence that crime DOES pay?

It is rather common knowledge that overall, generally and ultimately it does not. I do recall a formula out out by prager u i think it was that gave the “guarantee of wealth “ and there were like five criteria which, if you met, you were virtually guaranteed to be wealthy in the US. one of the criteria was don’t break the law, another was don’t use drugs.


149 posted on 06/10/2019 11:16:48 AM PDT by Persevero (Desmond is not -Amazing- Desmond is -Abused-)
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To: NobleFree

Noble Free, deep-thinking pot promoter.


150 posted on 06/10/2019 11:26:24 AM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: Persevero
The fact that it will put billions of dollars in criminal hands when done while illegal, and in and of itself violates no rights, does mean we should legalize it.

My claim is that crime doesn’t pay. [...] It is rather common knowledge that overall, generally and ultimately it does not.

Your statement doesn't contradict mine, and isn't the important point. The point is that Americans spend several billion dollars a year on pot (drug czar's office figures), and those billions in the hands of criminals - even a frequently-changing cast of criminals - mean more means and motive for violence that is detrimental to us all.

151 posted on 06/10/2019 11:28:09 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: MarvinStinson
pot promoter.

Wrong as usual - all I promote is the liberty of adults to choose what to ingest; my advice to anyone who may ask is not to recreationally use marijuana, nor alcohol, nor tobacco.

152 posted on 06/10/2019 11:30:03 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: jmacusa

lol, typo. 10th


153 posted on 06/14/2019 6:14:24 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suckle the breast of Capitalism.)
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