Posted on 02/10/2019 12:38:43 AM PST by vannrox
Most people mean by train is firing a rifle off the bench, covered of course since we don’t want the 64oz slushee to get warm in the sun.
Double-barreled 12 gauge loaded with 00 Buckshot always ready. Indisputably, nothing better for just plain killing someone who should not have broken in to the house. After that guys falls dead or lays there screaming, a couple of loaded handguns can be accessed for whomever has the nerve to keep trying. For normal civilian use, don't need that fancy SKS or AR firepower.
Oh, yes, that one too. High Standard two shot .22 magnum derringer (no exposed hammer) for discreet occasions when it REALLY has to hurt and/or cause severe damage. And, the double-barreled shotgun is sawed off, I forgot to mention.
Thanks, but I will stay with an AR, handgun or semi-auto shotgun. Double barrel is to slow to reload.
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“On one rifle I run a 1-12, it’s STEYR pro hunter 243 running around 3950 with a 58 grain pill.”
Dude! Instant mail.
Certainly true...and I understand. 00 Buck with 9 pellets CAN do damage to a group coming in on occasion. You do have a point, though.
I would say to a single intruder, if you survive the straight-on blast from a couple of barrels of 00 Buck, you may have that for which you came.
I have heard this several times over the years from those who were actually in the mess and the chips were down. I listened.
You are correct, sir. Avid .223/5.56 reloader here. None of my 1-7 twist 55 grain well at all. In my opinion, the author is very mistaken about 16” being all you need in a battle rifle. If you’re running FMJs there is a huge advantage to running a 20” barrel (I’ll even concede an 18”) to keep your velocities in fragmentation range.
The military running m855 in 14.5” barrels for as long as they did was total lunacy.
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You are absolutely right. A semi-auto or pump with a short barrel and extended mag is technically better but there are some advantages to a double.
The biggest is the short overall legal length. It really is handy in tight spaces. With auto ejectors they can be reloaded fairly quickly.
Had no idea they were still issuing the m-14 in 1969. Obviously you know much better than me (I was born in ‘78) that the m-16a1 has all sorts of issues that have been since engineered out. I’m. I’m with you though, I’d much rather have an m-14 than an m16a1.
I run AR-15’s in all sorts of competitions and made up training scenarios and have virtually 100% performance in these situations. I’ve custom built all my rifles and hand load all my own ammo, so that’s a factor too.
Thank you for your service!
All systems have growing pains. To get current - talk to some sandbox vets. Different things from the VN era are their focus.
I quit counting shots while shooting 5.56mm in an AR at 250,000 rounds years ago. Two notable jams and they were ammo related. Three hang fires also ammo related. Two hardware failures, one extractor and one cracked gas block.
1. I always buy name brand guns and parts.
2. This wasn’t in combat.
3. My AR’s get cleaned and inspected to the max on a regular basis.
YMMV
As a former sailer, we used the M14 almost exclusively, i love that rifle and it’s power and reliability. I just do not care for the AR.
One thing I was taught in the Army was “point and shoot”, or fire from the hip. I still believe in this. It’s a way to quickly react to something caught in peripheral vision, or a sound from the side or behind, where one can quickly swing on target and let one rip.
I recall being taught the hand/eye coordination using BB guns. It’s amazing how accurate firing from the hip can be at close range.
Also firing pistols left handed is a must. To me it is just totally stupid to expose ones full body and head to shoot around a left corner when exposing only the left side of the head and left arm works.
When I took my concealed weapons test, it included being able to hit a man size target at 25 feet. I used the point and shoot method and hit 100% with my 9mm Norinco Tokarev. The guy up next used that two handed careful aim thing and flunked. 25 feet!, I could not believe it.
Oh I understand, And I have owned a couple myself over the years, but these issues would not have happened with an SKS even as dirty as you can get it. Seriously, they are almost indestructible. They require no special tools, they can be field stripped and reassembled in 30 seconds which in realty almost never needs to be done unless it is to dump mud out of the rear cover.
And it is designed so that the only tool needed but not required to take it down is a round itself. Simple, basic, very few parts to break and they have one of the best bolt systems deigned. There may be some who don’t know this... But they have the same tipping/tilting bolt design as the FN/FAL.
If I am going to need to rely on a firearm in a true mess the last thing I want to worry about is broken parts or spending all my time cleaning it to make it work. And I want stripper feed which is not an option with AR and AK platforms. I like my old .303 British for the same reason, Stripper feed.
My post #11 above Caribou is from 1969 Vietnam. This was sitting on Nha Trang AB getting ready for a flight to Pleiku.
The M16 was first issued to grunt units. Support units kept the M14 until enough M16’s could be manufactured. Some M16’s were actually made by the Mattel toy corporation, which when combined with the jamming issues, further degraded the reputation of the M16.
Little known is that M1 carbines could be bought on the black market in Vietnam for as little as $50. A few men in my unit bought them and were allowed to keep them. I recall watching Nung mercenaries train with the M1 at Nha Trang, being light and short they were quite effective. The Nung were said to be bred as merciless fighters which was why they were the people of choice to be trained by the SF as mercenaries. Just “kill them all and let God sort them out” was a often quoted motto during that war.
The M1 carbine is on my favorite weapons list.
I am familiar with this. I was raised in a firearm family. I call it Zen shooting, Grandma called it “feeling” the bullet to the target, and Great Grand dad filed the front sights off all his revolvers.
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