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The watercolours of a struggling artist... named Adolf Hitler:...go up for auction [tr]
UK Daily Mail ^ | January 23, 2019 | Chris Dyer

Posted on 01/23/2019 6:39:51 AM PST by C19fan

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To: C19fan

As long as there are no Nazi symbols his artwork can be sold.

He really did have a problem with drawing/painting people.

That was the reason the art institute/school he applied to rejected him. He was advised to concentrate on buildings; he could have been a very good architect.

Because he was a narcissist he couldn’t bring himself to attend to a lower art institute/school.


61 posted on 01/23/2019 9:11:58 PM PST by Notthereyet
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To: vetvetdoug

You are not mistaken. The US government did not want admirers of Hitler to have any way of focusing their love of Hitler on anything, and I do mean ANYTHING relating to Hitler.

Hope that sentence made sense.

Our shrinks did a good job, actually, of profiling him.


62 posted on 01/23/2019 9:16:33 PM PST by Notthereyet
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To: dfwgator

While I don’t know about the dancing, having seen pictures of them both it would appear young Churchill was quite dashing.


63 posted on 01/23/2019 9:19:03 PM PST by Notthereyet
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To: elcid1970

LOL

Someone who’s studied German history especially relating to WWII mentioned that Hitler actually decided to use that particular style of mustache to set him apart from the other politicians. He wanted to stand out and as he wasn’t an impressively sized man he needed to look different using another tact.


64 posted on 01/23/2019 9:24:48 PM PST by Notthereyet
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To: sparklite2

LOL

I should have read your post before I added my own.

Yes, he wanted to stand out from the other politicians and as he was not an impressive build, used the mustache.


65 posted on 01/23/2019 9:26:26 PM PST by Notthereyet
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To: sparklite2

Legend has it, that during WWI, Hitler walked in front of British soldier, who refused to fire on Hitler.


66 posted on 01/23/2019 9:29:03 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Jewbacca
Indeed, pretty much his only true friend and reliable patron was a Jewish art dealer.
I can’t recall his name, but he asked Hitler for clemency of some sort, and ended up ashes.

Samuel Morgenstern, who said they met in 1911 or 1912... imprisoned in the Łódź Ghetto, where he died of wasting in August 1943. Hitler gave an appreciative statement in the 1930s that Morgenstern had been his "savior" during the Vienna period and had given him many important commissions.

67 posted on 01/23/2019 9:49:24 PM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Utah Binger

Ah, yes, Churchill’s seminal breakout painting, “Green Paint Was on Sale No.1.”


68 posted on 01/24/2019 3:22:09 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Chode

they shoulda let him into the art school and saved us all the trouble


And we shoulda picked our own damned cotton.


69 posted on 01/24/2019 3:25:49 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Notthereyet

I believe in inevitability to a large extent. The tide of history is not easily rolled back or diverted; the lemming herd will always be drawn to and off the cliff.

There is a sense of that in Pierre Teilhard de Chardin’s expression, “Everything That Rises Must Converge.”


70 posted on 01/24/2019 3:35:59 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: Notthereyet

A book was written in Germany in the 1990s that was a psychological profile of Hitler. Although it was eventually allowed to be published, the German government initially forbade its being printed. The fear was that to understand all was to forgive all. They still smart from Nazism.


71 posted on 01/24/2019 3:39:30 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: sparklite2

100%


72 posted on 01/24/2019 4:02:58 AM PST by Chode ( WeÂ’re America, Bitch!)
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To: sparklite2

To understand all is to forgive all?

Well, in the Liberal/Progressive world anything evil would fall under that guideline. Of course, they wouldn’t even begin to understand/forgive Conservatives.

Keeping people ignorant is one of the cardinal rules of the elitists. Ignorant folks can be manipulated so much more easily.

Sigh.


73 posted on 01/24/2019 11:31:58 AM PST by Notthereyet
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To: Notthereyet

I guess the thinking goes that if you understand the psychological underpinnings or reasons of why someone does what they do, you’re likely to become less judgemental.

At any rate, that was the government’s rationale for suppressing a psycho-history of Hitler.


74 posted on 01/24/2019 11:39:25 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: sparklite2

While I can understand and empathize with their viewpoint, I tend to think it was counterintuitive. Is that the correct word?


75 posted on 01/24/2019 5:56:23 PM PST by Notthereyet
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To: Notthereyet

Why is that?


76 posted on 01/24/2019 5:58:49 PM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.Huff)
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To: sparklite2

I think over time it caused an absence of knowledge about a leader that played a significant part of a country’s history. That often causes young people to want to look into that person and maybe even up to that person. Simply because of the human condition that causes the young adult to be in rebellion towards the governing powers.

I recall in high school, my sophomore year I believe, knowing a wonderful German girl. This was in New York. Her father was an officer in the US Army. I didn’t even think about it back then, and I’m not sure how he could have been in the US Army as a German citizen. This would have been 1972-1973, I guess. Don’t know her father’s age or her mother’s. She had an older brother, as well.

She thought Hitler was the greatest thing since sliced bread for Germany. I was already into reading history and not taking just the U.S./Allied version, either, mind you. I was still stunned. She felt he was the best thing because he united Germany and brought them out from under the yoke of the Treaty from WWI.

Now, as even a kid, I knew the Treaty of WWI was designed not to just have Germany repay the cost of WWI; it was to destroy Germany.

That said, I was still stunned. I told her I couldn’t understand how she could feel that way. She simply looked at me and said that I couldn’t understand what the German peoples had to endure after WWI as punishment and he was going to lift them from under that punishment. She believed the loss of life of both Jew and Gentile was part of the price to bring Germany back from the brink of destruction.

I think without having the full story on the ‘why’ Hitler was the way he was, prevented Germans like her from seeing that even if Germany was doing just fine he would have still done what he did. He just would have attempted to get to power doing it another way.

That’s what I mean by being counterintuitive.

It’s like England getting China’s people addicted to Opium so England could get back it’s gold when China was insisting on being paid in gold for tea leaves.

It’s like the American citizens not knowing the Administration at the time of the attack on Pearl Harbor knew about it but couldn’t admit it because we were spying on the Japanese.

Things like that do need to be known in order for it all to be viewed correctly. Maybe not agreed upon, just viewed correctly.

I hope I’m explaining my view correctly.

Thank you, so much, sparklite2, for your patience.


77 posted on 01/24/2019 9:54:21 PM PST by Notthereyet
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To: Notthereyet

That’s what I mean by being counterintuitive.


Thanks. I see what you mean. I agree with your friend’s take on Hitler if you only consider his rescuing Germany from the draconian effects of the Treaty of Versailles.

Had I met your friend and she told me she was a fan of Hitler, I would have thought she was a loon and a murderer at heart. But once I got to understand her and the reason, albeit narrow, for her feelings, I could forgive her for them.

And that’s an example of “to understand all is to forgive all.” I’m not saying I necessarily agree with that, but the German government believed it long enough to suppress a book’s publishing.


78 posted on 01/25/2019 5:21:03 AM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.Huff)
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To: sparklite2

I can understand their reasoning at the time.

Thank you, for the discussion, sparklite2!


79 posted on 01/25/2019 12:31:40 PM PST by Notthereyet
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