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"My kid can't read. What should I do?"
Renew America ^ | May 18, 2018 | Bruce Deitrick Price

Posted on 07/28/2018 5:06:38 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice

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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

The big question. Does the parent read?


101 posted on 07/28/2018 6:56:46 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
Pull your kids out of public school.

A decline of a couple of hundred kids in one year is noticed by everyone and anyone even remotely associated with education.

Don't learn their language, just say my child is X years old and can't read, I want everyone fired and a clean slate hired.

THAT IS ALL YOU HAVE TO DO !

102 posted on 07/28/2018 6:56:58 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: bjc

The Education Establishment loves your thinking. They call it Balanced Literacy. I call it schizophrenia. I think it’s like trying to rub your stomach and pat your head.. Each word is a mystery: how should I deal with this word?

I would urge you to consider the possibility that it is really better to read a phonetic language phonetically, all the time. There will be words here and there that stick in your mind because of a certain shape. But that’s the exception.


103 posted on 07/28/2018 6:59:25 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice (education reform)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

I taught my four kids to tead before they started preschool. Even a cave man could do it.


104 posted on 07/28/2018 7:01:15 PM PDT by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho) to sun spot6)
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To: Fireone
See Spot run! Run Spot run!

I had to have been taught the whole language garbage.

I remember being in first or second grade reading the Dick and Jane series and thinking that there were an awful lot of words to memorize and wondering how I could to it all, especially since some of the words were so big with so many letters.

I kind of sighed inside and figured it would just take time. A LONG time.

Well, fortunately, it didn't take that long and I was always a voracious reader.

Come around 10th or 11th grade, I started noticing patterns in the words and thought it would be a great idea if someone could make some rules for how to put words together based on the sounds of the letters.

When I homeschooled, I used Rod and Staff for English and reading, and their phonics program, which was for first and second grace only, was TERRIFIC.

My kids could read by the time they were five and the oldest two were terrific spellers.

My youngest wasn't as much a visual learner, so didn't read fluently quite as young, but still was a way better speller than most kids her age.

The Rod and Staff Phonic program is great.

105 posted on 07/28/2018 7:02:02 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: dforest

Reduce the counterproductive stimulus. Turn off TV, etc. not just for the child. When the whole house is reading: Reading happens. Sing simple songs, show the words.


106 posted on 07/28/2018 7:02:10 PM PDT by KDF48 (Redeemed by Christ.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Thanks for the post, interesting.


107 posted on 07/28/2018 7:03:18 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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To: sergeantdave

“When was the last time you showed up at a schoolboard meeting in your entire life? I’d bet never.”

You’re damn right. I would NEVER give those assholes a moment of my time, and I’d NEVER let them get their hands on my kids.


108 posted on 07/28/2018 7:03:52 PM PDT by BobL (I drive a pick up truck because it makes me feel like a man)
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To: spacejunkie2001

Make sure to go over prefixes, suffixes, and root words. Make a game out of it. Pick a good root word and see how many different combinations you can make with them and how the word changes in meaning. It will give them context and understanding. For example, pandemonium. Pan meaning all, ium meaning building or home, all demons home. Language can be beautifully structural, which appeals to logical learners, not just ethereal for the creative learners.


109 posted on 07/28/2018 7:04:11 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Trust not in earthly princes....)
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To: donna

“Dick and Jane were sight books.”

I started kindergarten in 1960 in a small KS town so Dick and Jane were fully ensconced in the elementary curriculum. The thing that was the wild-card was the teachers were all old-school teachers, some who had started their careers in one-room rural school houses of the 30s & 40s. They may have had these boring books in the classroom but they still used phonics every day and in every way. Fortunately, I was reading before entering school and was well ahead of many of my peers. Sight words were just a challenge for building vocabulary and spelling skills.

The key is always going to be the teacher who determines what the child needs to be successful. If sight words is all the teacher knows or is all the system will allow, then you have to choose to go around that roadblock and take on the job at home.


110 posted on 07/28/2018 7:04:12 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: bjc
Genuine question: Why are these two approaches defined as being mutually exclusive? Given the oddness of much English pronunciation,it seems to me that both are necessary even if phonics provides initial building blocks and instills the notion of generalized rule formulation a la Chomsky.

There ARE words in English that just don't fit the phonics rules well.

Those few I figure are no problem to memorize.

FORTUNATELY, they tend to be the shorter words.

111 posted on 07/28/2018 7:04:40 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: MortMan

“I agree on phonics, but English is not 100% phonetic. If the author thinks it is, he should see a psychiatrist.”

True, it’s not 100% phonics. But once a kid has mastered phonics, he no longer needs any instruction - he can take it from there.


112 posted on 07/28/2018 7:05:21 PM PDT by BobL (I drive a pick up truck because it makes me feel like a man)
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To: BobL

BobL perfectly expresses almost everything there is to say on the subject. If you don’t trust me, please trust him.


113 posted on 07/28/2018 7:08:03 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice (education reform)
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To: \/\/ayne

Bkmk


114 posted on 07/28/2018 7:11:55 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: BobL

I’m glad my joke with using a ps word was recognized.

And I agree with you. Once phonics are mastered, very little instruction is required.


115 posted on 07/28/2018 7:15:35 PM PDT by MortMan (The white board is a remarkable invention.)
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To: TheWriterTX
Make sure to go over prefixes, suffixes, and root words. Make a game out of it. Pick a good root word and see how many different combinations you can make with them and how the word changes in meaning.

English from the Roots Up.

https://www.amazon.com/English-Roots-Up-Vol-T/dp/0964321033


116 posted on 07/28/2018 7:20:59 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: spacejunkie2001

I would look at Corrective Reading by Engelmann then. It is designed for older emerging readers. I should have remembered it as I used it to teach 2 5th graders with it. This would be a better choice. I believe there are 3 levels, A, B, & C. You would need to get the teacher’s guide as well as the student book. Good luck.


117 posted on 07/28/2018 7:22:49 PM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: Salvavida

Oh well, if your Church is sure to blow great opportunities most of the time, you have that in common with the Catholic Church.

BTW—reading and studying the Bible does not automatically make one a non-Catholic. I’m a Catholic who devotes a great deal of time to the Bible. My Hebrew is pretty lousy, though I can sort of get by. My Greek is OK.


118 posted on 07/28/2018 7:23:53 PM PDT by Hieronymus ((It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton))
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To: metmom

Bkmk


119 posted on 07/28/2018 7:24:38 PM PDT by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: MV=PY
When they learned to read, I gave them the choice each night to read or listen.

Once all my four became readers, here was the night time litany:

"Bed time!"
"Can we read?"
"Yes."

Extended their bedtime a half hour and helped them realize the joy of books.

I taught two out of four to read. It's not hard. It's simple, repetitive, and rote memorization. We were maybe 3/4 through the book and they "got it" and their reading took off. One of the best things I did as a mom.

120 posted on 07/28/2018 7:29:19 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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