Posted on 06/22/2018 8:31:43 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
BTW its the auto parts going into our cars that have a whole lot to do with poor reliability. Subaru Builds some models in the USA with mostly Japanese components, and they are pretty reliable. They do sub out some parts, but under strict QC and quality materials. So give us the tariffs and improve the quality of our products.
Until the other nations give in, and end their tariff and non-tariff restrictions on U.S. exports, where Trump will then lower ours.
We have seen from even before NAFTA “negotiations” on “free trade” have not produced RECIPRICAL free trade, and thereby not worked in the U.S. interest. They have instead cartelized special interests in the negotiaing countries, with each country protecting something, and making trade offs with each other over that. That has been a losing proposition for U.S. exports. It not only has not given is any advantages in trade, it has not even been reciprocal in terms of providing proportional interest.
Let me make a case about autos.
What is the rate of Japanese impport of American cars and American cars made in Japan, versus Japanese cars imported to here or made here? Autos have been a losing proposition for us with Japan. We could say to Japan that we will not limit to a certain number the cars imported from Japan or made here by Japanese companies. Instead we will allow Japanese automakers to either import to here or make here cars equalling a percantage of the U.S. market equal to the percentage of the Japanese market that U.S. cars have. That would be reciprocity proportionate to each market.
And Honda’s come from Ohio.
The consequence of not taking action is to ultimately have no auto industry in the USA. Look at Australia. GM closed production in Australia in favor of China.
https://www.autoblog.com/2017/10/20/the-last-holden-gm-closes-plant-ends-australia-auto-production/
The US won World War II because it had a manufacturing base that could be converted to supplying war equipment. Clothing, vehicles, aircraft, munitions, ships, tires, steel, aluminum. Today the nation does not have the manufacturing base to cloth even the military, much less the population. Losing the textile business supporting the apparel industry means our nation has no domestic fabric for parachutes, vehicle seat covers, tarps, sleeping bags, blankets, tents, etc. Lose the auto industry and there will be no factories in which to build jeeps, trucks, and other vehicles to support a war. Completely eliminate steel and aluminum production in the US and there will be no raw materials to make vehicles, ships, aircraft, and guns. Eliminate the 2nd amendment and the domestic firearms industry goes away which means no factories to make guns and ammunition in wartime.
Being self sufficient for food, clothing, and raw materials for production means the nation is not vulnerable to having overseas supplies cut by blockade or a hostile nation. Consider what would happen if a hostile China cut off the supply of manufactured goods to the US today. The nation does not have the manufacturing capacity to produce its own clothing, electronics, steel, and many other essential consumer and industrial items it gets from China.
China is at war with the US. Its goal is to pick off industries one by one. The apparel, textile, furniture, and much of the consumer products businesses are gone. It is now going after food, pharmaceuticals, steel, electronics, aircraft, and auto industries. If we do nothing, those industries will be gone in 10 years.
Trump, the Russians, and the Chinese understand the national security implications of supporting through tariffs the domestic industries critical for national defense. The Congresscritters, journalists, and CEO’s who are against Trump’s trade policy are apparently not concerned about national security.
Consider this. With our industrial base today, we could not fight World War II. Consider the implications for a 21st century war against China or Russia.
“And Honda’s come from Ohio.”
How much of the content come from the US? If the parts are imported, and most the assembly is performed by robots, the US worker still loses. Not to mention the national security implications.
More mass media Anti President Trump paranoia.
So then cars made in the US would be more affordable than ones made in China or Germany? What’s the problems with that?
Limit choices.
SNORT.
Thanks to endless regulations the nanny state has been limiting choices for decades.
Perfect.
The market will respond. Nothing says parts now made in China can’t be made in the US like they used to be before we started getting screwed on trade.
By imposing the tariffs, that would require manufacturers in the U.S. to rely on American parts to manufacture their vehicles rather than import them from China, Mexico and other areas.
The auto manufacturing industry as well as other manufacturing within the US are just assemblers of imported parts.
Threats of tariffs are not tariffs. This is a negotiating tactic designed to make it painful enough that other countries drop their tariffs.
why boohoo? Do you want consumers paying more for cars?
Actually at least the Accord is almost all US made with mostly US parts. Regularly appears as one of the top 3 US made cars even above so-called US brands. Ditto many of their motorcycles. Lots of good jobs for US workers and manufacturers.
Used to run with an M/C as a non-official friend of the club. One guy razzed me about riding a Honda. I looked at his Harley and said, “you do realize your bike was made in Mexico while mine was made in Marysville, Ohio with mostly US parts? Look it up.” He did. Never got any beef for riding a Honda again.
Funny how this is an issue just now.
Where were these guys when Obama raised the CAFE standards to unrealistic levels on an unrealistic timetable. This directly caused car prices to increase and directly limited choices. There are many models (Toyota 4Runner, for example) where you always had a V8 option and now you don't, in the company's effort to increase their fleet mileage standards.
So, once again, selective outrage by those who were dead silent during the Obama fiasco, and now crow like magpies at anything Trump does.
“could”
Including “could” in the sentence, gives the sentence 0 information content.
You should try applying a little critical thought to the issue. And if it takes people paying more for BMW's and MB's to get fair trade practices then yeah...I don't care if it costs more.
More likely it'll just kill the Ford Focus and Buick Envision, at least in the U.S. Keeping manufacturing here or switching it back here wouldn't be cost effective. They couldn't make enough off them to justify the production lines.
Nothing, probably.
Why would they? If the price of your competition suddenly goes up by 25% why would you lower yours? You could easily increase your price by 10% or 15% or 20% and remain cost competitive.
That’s possible, but in a totally free market not all car makers will raise their prices. I love the high end Lincolns, even the Caddies, but I’ve been going with Mercedes and for the past 15 years Lexus. You raise the price of a Lexus 15% and if Lincoln adds more quality to their cars and does not raise the price much, I might go with a Lincoln next time.
It is really amazing when you think about it, THE MOST LIKELY OUTCOME OF THE REMOVAL OF TARIFFS COMPLETELY WORLD WIDE WOULD BE THE WORLD BEING MORE GLOBAL! What Obama and the others tried to do, will be more easily accomplished with a truly open world economy.
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