Posted on 01/20/2018 8:55:04 AM PST by ransomnote
Did not catch Robert Hanssen, Aldrich Ames, (and perhaps who else ?) much earlier, in large part because they never gave enough credence to the work of James Jesus Angleton.
Ignored pre-9/11 warnings by the female SA about Saudi taking rudimentary flying lessons in a 747 simulator in Minneapolis. Had he been interrogated earlier, and his bank account transfers reviewed, he would have rolled on the whole event, long before it happened. (This was one symptom of what was then a Bureau that was then very stupidly so chauvinistic that many smart, very promising female SAs gave up and quit.) It’s a shame they never caught the two St. Louis-deplaning failed hijackers from 9/11, but there was no malfeasance there.
Did not work the Sami al-Arian case nearly well or early enough. There are still many unreported pre-9/11 activities involving al-Arian being flown to campuses across the country by Iranian flight students at Phoenix East Aviation who were supposedly getting flight hours in King Airs so they could get airline jobs. It was all a setup so al-Arian could travel with no records of him being a passenger on the flights. Iranian advanced flight students would fly from Daytona Beach to the small Peter O. Knight airport in Tampa; where there is no control tower, security or record of anyone’s coming or goings; pickup al-Arian; then fly him to colleges across country where he would secretly radically lecture to MSAs; then back to Tampa, then fly the a/c back to Daytona; with never any record of al-Arian being a passenger, or going anywhere. Al-Arian’s cover was as a professor at USF, but in reality, he was the head of Islamic Jihad in the US, and they missed it early, and then screwed up the case when he was arrested.
This all may be replaced by the actions the currently named SAs and others in the Hillary Email and Trump investigations. The “Insurance Policy” thing may be something way beyond what we even know now.... but this entire matter is not “ripe” yet, nor is its full extent known, although I expect it to be huge. Quite frankly, this may amount to an attempted “administrative coup” against President Trump.
Waco, but that was a decision forced on them by Janet Reno personally, not internal to Bureau.
The entire Top Hat-Fedora fiasco, but that was on Hoover’s watch, more than 30 years ago.
Sloppy lab work of a few years ago, then lying about it.
And of course, the Randy Weaver shooting, but that as more the actions/decisions of one man, not the Bureau.
What was the worst thing the FBI did?
Before the second raid on Waco. What plans did they make in saving the children? Clearly there was no intent on saving anyone.
The FBI/BATF inserts 6 canisters (1.5 gallons) of CS and over the next 6 hours FBI shot 400 Ferret rounds at 3.7 grams each" This WAS posted at www.justice.gov now archived. The building was a 4,500 sqft building. Which by all calculations that was far above the percent needed for combustion
The real problem was Janet Reno insisting that the entry be made, rather than simply putting a total blockade around the place and waiting them out with ongoing audio bombardment, etc The plan never thought Koresh would burn his kids alive, but the problem was the assignment, not the methodology.
It takes three componets for a fire. Fuel, Air and spark.
The spark and air was given.
The spark was from the Dravidians lighting fire with a few gallons of lighter fluid in the far back room, weapons fire, gas lanterns, tank engines, braking walls and so on.
The fuel was the critical component of that fire. That clearly wasn't a typical structure fire. Again, the Davidians did use lighter fluid in a room far from the children. Which means their intent was to NOT kill their children.
The Autopsy's show most of the death of the children where from being crushed. One of the tanks drove back and forth over the top of the underground room the kids where located for about two hours (there is an exact time I don't remember)
I’m sorry, but the “Blame Everything On The FBI” conspiracy theories are BS. Unfortunately, this is just one of so many wild conspiracy falsehoods that seem to rule your thought process. and your life.
To completely refute your claim that the FBI purposely burned and killed children at Waco, perhaps some facts will help.
1: It was not “A little lighter fluid.” Davidian survivor testimony spoke repeatedly of Davidian leadership lighting huge fires with many gallons of the gasoline they had been using for their generators.
2: The fires started in multiple areas at once, areas where their had been no entry or assault, and quickly spread horizontally, as opposed to just vertically. That is the sign of a fire where large amounts of accelerant liquid has been used.
3: The accelerant was clearly identified as gasoline by the inspectors after the fire, because gasoline, like all liquid accelerants leaves gasoline-specific uncombusted residue. It was present in abundance.
4: The conspiracy claim that the CS had any effect on the fire is bogus, as CS is a non-combustible gas.
5: The claim that the ferret rounds somehow spread the fire is also wild conspiracy BS, as neither the CS in the rounds, nor the propellant that ejects the CS from the round after impact are combustible.
6: Regarding getting the children, and in fact all the Davidians out safely, that was attempted at all times. Loud audio was constantly broadcast telling them to come out. Some did some out safely, but the idea of the FBI agents running into a flaming conflagration to save people, who did not want to be saved, when some inside are shooting at you, is the stuff of comic books, not reality.
Should Janet Reno have ever ordered the assault? Definitely not. She let her ego override logic and what was right. But the wild theories that it was some purposeful attempt to kill the children is foolish BS.
Unfortunately, all the above facts will probably be meaningless to you, since they do not meet your need to invent and recklessly spread wild conspiracy theories about child abuse.
Yes, there is child abuse in the world. Child abuse is bad. But your obvious need to promote wild, disproven conspiracy theories, as you have demonstrated here, is also bad. Anytime one overstates a problem, such as you do by by your wildly overwrought but false accusations, it diminishes the attention that should be focused on the real problem.
“The Little Boy who Cried Wolf” applies very well here.
Why do you need to be that Little Boy?
Finally, your need to make up and promote false stories about child abuse, to the hugely exaggerated level that you do, clearly shows you have some very deep-seated issues.
If you were a victim of child abuse, and it is still affecting as obviously something is, then get some professional help. Yes, it still hurts and angers you, but you CAN put it behind you, and stop letting it distort your life, as it so obviously does now.
Secondly, if you have let the abuse you suffered drive you to become an abuser, as so often happens, get professional help. You CAN break the chain of abuse.
If you are simply so out of touch with reality that the issues of non-existent child abuse and other wacko conspiracies rule your life, of course, get some professional help.
Finally admitting the wild theories that have ruled your life, probably for decades, will be difficult, but you can do it, and when you do, it will be a great relief.
Since there is nothing more to say on the topic, this concludes my responses to your wild conspiracy theories.
But please remember, you can stop being that “Little Boy.”
I wish you good luck in both your treatment and your life.
Yes. The FBI is clearly conspiring against the will of the people. This attempted Coup d'etat against the president of the US isn't enough for you to see then nothing will.
said, "many gallons of the gasoline "
I said a few gallons. I never said "A little lighter fluid" You put words into my mouth which means we are done talking if you can't help from making things up i don't say.
Claim: "CS is a non-combustible gas"
Not only is it combustible it says "flammable: DO NOT USE INDOOR" on every canister.
My main concern with Waco were the kids. Most of the where crushed. Most were not killed by fire, smoke or gas.
Your main concern should be your own twisted fascination with real and imaginary child sex abuse.
Get professional help before you hurt someone. (Again?)
Isn't that like driving an M60 tank down the freeway pushing cars out of the way as it moves then when it accidentally crush's a bus full of kids. Then stops on top of the bus moves back and forth on top of the bus for hours.
Then driver of the M60 tank says, "It wasn't intentional."
The excuses are freaking unreal and they get away with it. What do you do? You call me names for calling the crime out. That is hubris
what is this?
Go back and check the first seven words of the Constitution.
The point is that to defend the Constitution, you have to defend what’s in the Constitution.
The first thing in the Constitution is We the People.
Content gives intent.
As for the other line of argument dealing with whether it should be military tribunals or the judicial branch. These people we’re talking about have committed acts of war against our nation.
So the judicial branch is not involved.
And I suggest you start thinking more carefully when you form strong opinions on matters of such gravity.
If you can’t see the horribly unnatural fixation you have about false claims of child abuse, as you obviously can’t, then the question becomes, not if you can’t see how this runs your thought process, but why.
The long-established history of people with falsely-based fascinations is that the fascination is being driven by something they do not remember/realize and/or cannot admit to themselves.
In cases such as this, fascinations and focusing on child abuse are often caused by being a victim, although the memory or the significance of the abusive acts is often suppressed and/or denied.
A classic example of this are priests who enter the priesthood to try to control their own often subconscious desires, by taking a vow of chastity, only to become child abusers. In almost every case, they were abused, often by priests, when they were children.
Jessica Hahn was just one of Jim Bakker’s victims, and he would preach loud and long against the sin of fornication every day on his TV show.
There may be other reasons for your fascination with the topic, especially cases that have been proven to be false accusations, the ones you have an obvious need to believe are real, but regardless of that, there are still problems downline.
The unfortunate next step is that the person who was abused often becomes an abuser themselves as an adult, as with the priests.
That’s why you should seek some professional help. Even if you are not an abuser, it will help you understand why so much of your life is wrapped around your fixation on often false claims of abuse. If by chance you are a self-denying abuser, or have thoughts and/or temptations in that area, think how much good it would do to break the chain of abuse.
There is a real problem of child abuse, but trying to spread these false claims, as you are driven to, carries all the problems of “The Little Boy Who Cried Wolf.” Your false claims are so easy for any rational person to see through, they then tend to dismiss all such claims, even the valid ones.
There is nothing wrong with getting help. The only thing wrong would be to continue to let these delusional fixations rule so much of your thought process, or possibly, have someone else hurt as a result.
Good luck.
Three more points,
First, to your baseless allegations against the tank driver that he purposely or negligently drove over children on the other side of a wall, if you have a way to see through a wall, or under a toppled wall, then please share it with DARPA. It would be a valuable asset in wartime.
Secondly, The CS you showed was dispersed by a burning grenade, not the liquid (as you measured in gallons) used in Waco. Regarding the combustibility of the CS used, it did not burn, Please see: http://www.nytimes.com/1993/04/20/us/death-in-waco-the-tear-gas-chemical-isn-t-meant-to-cause-fire.html
Finally, if you will not get help for yourself and your fixations on fiction, then get it to ensure no children are possibly abused because of you. It’s that important.
The "tear gas" at Waco had methylene chloride in it. Look it up
Here is the John C Danforth report which is the only report that shows the ingredients of the tear gas that I know of.
John C Danforth literally says that methylene chloride is not volatile. This is basic chemistry. methylene chloride is very volatile. This is simply another example that government and the NYT showing they're anti-science.
(quick search found his report here)
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/pdf/havens.pdf
Even Wikipedia has it right on the CS gas page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_gas#Use_as_an_aerosol
If you look at the US Justice department site they don't talk about what CS gas was mixed with. Why would they do that?
https://www.justice.gov/publications/waco/report-deputy-attorney-general-events-waco-texas
Strac6 said, "Finally, if you will not get help for yourself and your fixations on fiction, then get it to ensure no children are possibly abused because of you. It’s that important."
Are you going to report me to some kind of agency because I'm able to read?
When you refuse to read it?
That makes me some kind of loon?
I will assume it was an "accident" when the tank driver first drove up and knocked over the wall with a Military tank.
I will give him that. Why was he parked and drove back and forth on top of the room the kids where in with a freaking tank?
you tell me.
Lets assume he simply wasn't thinking how heavy that tank was. He parked there to help the kids get out of the room. Right? We will chock it up as all caught up in the moment or something.
Why didn't someone that was watching him say,
"hey, get Tank off the kids"
It seems to basic to me. how can you not see that is more then an "accident." It was more then simply the wall fell down.
If you get into a traffic accident you don't back up and hit the car again do you?
The kids were under a collapsed wall and you think the tank driver knew it and purposely drove over them?
The real issue is your fascination with often fictional child abuse.
Get professional help
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