Jury was leaning toward a not guilty verdict in Twin Peaks, juror says

I think the State should have done a much better job of impeaching Jake Carrizal's testimony. He took a big chance taking the stand, but it paid off.

As far as the cops and Cossacks working together...Waco PD killed four Cossacks that day, so your collaboration theory needs some work.

Thanks for the ping.

Turns out I'd sensed correctly the way they were leaning.

Was wondering about the one "who had [prior] contact with Cossacks" which way he was stuck and would not consider changing.

Now we know, but not know why for sure. Gotta' let it go. Bikers can be [unmentionable words on this forum] and make bad impressions on people.

Is it now going to be something approaching all Cossacks fault?

Amanda Dillon (for one) seriously eroded possibility for the prosecution be able to now shift their story fully on to the "other" side. Thank you, you big 'ol blondie. xxxx Kisses xxxx -- hmuuywhAH luv' ya' babe...(do you like Bud Lite?)

And the table busser who said she saw a man wearing a motorcycle helmet with "a big Dirty Harry gun" said the meeting was "a peace rally". Woops -- there goes some of the pre-planned conspiracy angle, for a large percentage of the defendants. All that's left in absence of that is "may be inferred" by a defendants actions (that they took part in "a conspiracy" to commit crime).

Johnson did allow consideration of individual AND "third party" defense TOO, which I saw as a very good sign. If that afforded Carrizal -- to whom else could the same be denied possibility, a distinct possibility for any number of defendants that should be taken into account (could there be reasonable doubt?)

And the gun? The Dirty Harry gun. Which of the 12 firearms that the analyst said were fired (not counting 3 Waco PD rifles) was it? Did anyone show the jury a "big" revolver? The prosecution may have...but Witherspoon, nor others mentioned even a hint of "this" is the gun, or "this could be the gun for the following reasons" etc. It came across to me as a hole in the prosecution's case.

As far as the cops and Cossacks working together...Waco PD killed four Cossacks that day, so your collaboration theory needs some work.

Just shows how bad "red boots" (sgt Cory Ledbetter) and his friends sold them out as soon as things went sideways. The Cossacks lied down with dogs.

Waco PD killed four Cossacks that day, so your collaboration theory needs some work.

There was a fifth, I think. One who had been shot twice already but ended up with a large, ragged entry wound that was the one that did him in.

The investigator said his wound was too large to be from any of the three rifles, and in almost the next breath (3 or so Witherspoon Tweets away) mentioned bullet fragments matching the rifles taken from that very wound...

Kirshner. I don't think he was on the original lists of 4 who had entry wounds corresponding to what .223 would make. If I'm wrong and could be Missouri show me proved wrong then I'd not mind at all admitting to it.

Remember when Princess (TG) could count only to two? I do. I remember that well. Still can't pronounce the word "four" it seems...but good news! Finally, a biker who was actually on the scene saying that police saved lives that day. Said police saved his life twice. Jake Carrizal said that (according to Witherspoon Tweets). oh happy day for Princess, may (he? she?) ok, I'll use here "it" happily squirm around in a little Puddle. Whatever blows your skirts up, Princess.

If you see that one, tell 'em I said so. I'd want that one to be happy, just leave the dogs in the backyard (don't shoot me I'm just a dog!) alone. After getting the hang of that, we could get 'er to work up to people.

While the jury was whisked away by court officials and not made available to the media, a courthouse source who spoke to the jury after the mistrial was declared said there were never more than six jurors in favor of finding Carrizal guilty on any of the three counts.

In a note to Johnson, the jury initially reported they had reached a unanimous vote on one count, but that vote later changed. The initial decision was for not guilty on the first count, the source said.

Waco Trib

In a note to Johnson, the jury initially reported they had reached a unanimous vote on one count, but that vote later changed. The initial decision was for not guilty on the first count, the source said.

Reading that, TG must be curled up in the fetal position in the closet....LOL

And the gun? The Dirty Harry gun. Which of the 12 firearms that the analyst said were fired (not counting 3 Waco PD rifles) was it? Did anyone show the jury a "big" revolver? The prosecution may have...but Witherspoon, nor others mentioned even a hint of "this" is the gun, or "this could be the gun for the following reasons" etc. It came across to me as a hole in the prosecution's case.

Introducing the 'big gun' the witness says she saw into evidence as one of the weapons fired and tying that gun to Carrizal on cross examination would have gone a long way toward impeaching his testimony.

My guess is the 'big gun' doesn't exist or it belongs to someone else.

Introducing the 'big gun' the witness says she saw into evidence as one of the weapons fired and tying that gun to Carrizal on cross examination would have gone a long way toward impeaching his testimony.

If we could have seen a gun that could fit the description -- and put that near to where Carrizal was, if not even better 'put in his hand' so to speak, yes, it could have helped swayed the jury against whatever else the man had to say. The prosecution screwed the pooch. They had opportunity...and they had time and loads of information, and they chose to prosecute Carrizal first -- bumping more than one other defendant off Calendar (to future dates) to make way for Carrizal be brought to trial.

I was guessing when I saw the void --- that what could be near to reason why they allowed that gaping hole in the case against Carrizal was that any weapon that possibly best fit the description -- and was fired --- was fired by one of the dead guys, and prosecutors maybe were able to connect that weapon to one of the dead Cossacks but were not willing to admit to that -- in the Carrizal trial.

I'd wondered if they had decided to be coy about it, so they could try to sell the idea of particular guns being associated with other defendants whom they intended to bring to trial.

Like you'd said;

My guess is the 'big gun' doesn't exist or it belongs to someone else.

Maybe....it belonged to one of those pedophiles Princess keeps going on about...and that sick criminal made a deal with prosecutors (telling them ANYTHING they wanted to hear!) to keep his own sick self out of being put on trial for that sick stuff?

Ok -- all that's a stretch, but I did it on purpose to help illustrate how false information can get lodged in Po-Po's brains ---for which once it's stuck in there, they (the Po-Po's) will do just about anything they think they can get away with to convince people they know the truth, potentially resulting in misapplication of accusations (against people the pedophile 'gave up' to save his own hide) which could then lead to serious miscarriage(s) of Justice further on down the line.

You may have seen this already, but the video in this link is pretty interesting.

First Twin Peaks case ends in mistrial

DA Reyna sounds like he wants to keep fighting...

Thanks for the link. I’ll check it out.