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[DiogenesLamp]

On an adoption birth certificate is the signature of the doctor a wet signature or a typed name? How about the birth mother’s signature?

My adopted birth certificate shows a doctor's signature. So does my real one. I used to wonder about this because there is no way the doctor could have signed my adopted certificate back when I was born, so it must have been signed subsequent to the event. I believe my state gets around this logical conundrum by including language that says something like "I attest that the child above was born at this time and place.", making it irrelevant when it was signed.

In your opinion is this an adoption birth certificate?

I don't know. I'd have to compare it to others around the same time period to see if it is distinctly different in this manner, but it is certainly easier to make a replacement birth certificate without written signatures.

[Fantasywriter]

‘Do you have a link where Abercrombie said he was going to release the birth certificate?’

You’ll have to make up your mind. Do you want to ridicule me for not being able to use a search engine, or do you want to publicly admit you can’t find something I located in under a minute.

Tick tock.

[4Zoltan]

“Cherry picking quotes is what you do.”

Says the person who cherry picked Evans quotes.

[4Zoltan]

I’ll continue to ridicule you.

Up until two days ago, you didn’t even know about the Medicare billing investigation involving Dr. Palafox.

Guaranteed you won’t post the link because it won’t say what you claim it says.

[Fantasywriter]

“Evans made multiple statements. He himself admits that he stated, in at least one, that it was Abercrombie himself who told him there was no BC.”

That is from my post 156. It’s what you don’t do. I.e.: you select your talking point and try to pretend it’s the only factual one. You do not admit that you are focusing on the quote most helpful to you, ***while not even acknowledging that other versions exist.***

[Fantasywriter]

Your omission of the link yesterday was typical. You had cherry picked the article, and didn’t want the rest of the information to be part of the discussion. Dishonesty itself.

If you wanted me to find links for you, you shouldn’t have acted like a snotty 6-yo yesterday. Like most Leftists, you want it both ways. Unfortunately for you, you don’t always get to dictate the terms.

[4Zoltan]

Don't recall this certificate being shown before or how reliable it is (came from Joel Gilbert's website)

Assuming it is accurate, here are the known August, 1961 Hawaiian births with certificate numbers and hospital.

Births Inside Honolulu City Limits

Ah’Nee, Johanna – 09945 – August 23rd, Accepted/Filed August 24th, Kapiolani

Henderson, Bruce - 10286 - August 25th, Accepted/Filed September 1st, Kaiser

Nordyke, Susan – 10637 – August 5th, Accepted/Filed August 11th, Kapiolani

Nordyke, Gretchen – 10638 – August 5th, Accepted/Filed  August 11th, Kapiolani

Obama, Barack – 10641 – August 4th, Accepted/Filed August 8th, Kapiolani

Waidelich, Stig – 10920 – August 5th/Accepted/Filed August 8th, Kapiolani

Birth Outside Honolulu City Limits

Sunahara, Virginia – 11080 – August 4th, Accepted/Filed August 10th, Wahiawa

Remember the July 17th, 2012 press conference? That's the one where they originally claimed the penciled number "9" meant "not stated" and later admitted this was wrong.

Zullo also spent a great deal of time explaining why Obama's certificate number was out of sequence (they did a whole video about it). Now he admits that is a fake theory.

They had the Ah'Nee certificate in 2011. So in 2012 they knew what the certificate numbers were. Yet in his sworn affidavit to the Alabama Supreme Court, Zullo swore that Obama's certificate was out of sequence.

[4Zoltan]

Looks like you are as bad at math as you are at Internet searches. 153 comes before 156. In 153, I pointed out to you, apparently for the first time, that Mike Evans changed his story on the same day that he first started to tell the story.

BTW, Your American Thinker article does not mention that fact.

[Fantasywriter]

Here is Mike Evans making his statement. Listen carefully he says he talked to the “governor’s office” not he talked to the governor.

https://youtu.be/GD0U_jo2jQE

And here he is on Peter Boyle’s show saying he never talked to the governor only the governor’s office.

https://youtu.be/4lkYK_QcqHY

“In 153, I pointed out to you, apparently for the first time, that Mike Evans changed his story on the same day that he first started to tell the story.”

You’re lying again. There is no mention in 153 of Evans “changing his story.” To refer to such a ‘change’, you’d first have to affirm that Evans said Abercrombie told him personally that there was no Obama birth certificate in Hawaii. And such an admission, as a diehard Obot, you have never made.

[Nero Germanicus]

What part of the word “ORIGINAL” in both of Hawaii’s verification statements don’t you understand? In 2008 and again in 2009 the state of Hawai’i (which under Article IV of the Constitution has sole discretion to determine the authenticity and validity of all records promulgated by that state) verified that Barack Obama’s “ORIGINAL” vital records were on file and that his “ORIGINAL” birth certificate documented his birth in Hawai’i.
A Certificate of Live Birth is nothing more or less than a computer printout of the most legally relevant information that is on the vault edition. If any state’s COLB can be used to obtain a U.S. Passport than it is good for other official legal purposes. Hawaii’s COLBs could be used to obtain U.S. Passports in 2008 and in 2012.

A COLB was what was released to a person requesting birth documentation. Since the “birther” controversy Hawai’i has changed the name to “Certified Copy of Birth” for what they release to any applicant seeking a copy of their “birth certificate.” There are no more COLBs nor is there long form/short form confusion.
Both Mitt Romney and Donald Trump released copies of their respective Michigan and New York short form computer print out birth certficates as well.
If any legitimate, official legal authority had ever needed to see the original, vault edition Obama birth certificate for themselves, Hawaii Revised Statute 338-18(b) permits inspection by “a person whose right to inspect is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction.”
No legitimate, official legal authority ever needed to get a court order for inspection or a congressional subpoena which has the legal force of a court order.

[Fantasywriter]

You know the person speaking of a vault copy LFBC is lying because the statement doesn’t match the facts. Both on the eventually released BC and in the birth announcements Stanley Ann’s home address is listed as Kalanianaole Highway. But a resident who lived at that address during the period of SAD’s pregnancy says SAD wasn’t there then. It’s been confirmed that SAD lived at that address during her UoH fall term in ‘60. But after that she was gone.

Add to this the fact that SAD’s first documented sighting since ‘60 was in Seattle. She had a newborn with her.

SAD no more gave birth in HI than in Kenya. The odds, when ALL evidence is taken into account, are on Vancouver.

Your precious pols are lying. Which is what politicians do.

[Nero Germanicus]

And what do we do when we suspect that a government bureaucrat is lying? We subpoena them to appear in a court of law or before an investigative committee of Congress with the threat of a perjury conviction or a Contempt of Congress citation hanging over their heads and then we see if they want to revise and amend their written statement.
I doubt if the Hawai’i Director of Health in 2008 had any knowledge of Stanley Ann Dunham’s address in 1961. Her place of residence on August 4, 1961 at 7:24 p.m. was Kapi’olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.
The parents’ address is not a constitutional requirement under Article II, Section 1. The requirement is place of birth, date of birth and 14 years of U.S. residence.

[Fantasywriter]

This is just pathetic. You’re running scared. If you even believed the HI narrative yourself anymore, you’d be explaining how SAD went unnoticed during her 9-mo pregnancy, her delivery, and the aftermath. You’d have a plausible explanation for why suddenly so many people noticed her in the Seattle area, when none had done so in HI.

But you’re just babbling. On one level, you probably know she wasn’t there. If she’d been living somewhere, anywhere, in Honolulu, there’d be traces. She’s well documented at every other period of her life. There’s just this one total, complete, black-hole gap.

I.e.: the time she spent in a Canadian home for unwed mothers.

[Nero Germanicus]

Have you forgotten about the birth notices in the Honolulu newspapers? The birth notices were in the “Health Bureau Statistics” sections of the newspapers along with death notices and marriages.
Have you forgotten about Barack Senior’s August 31, 1961 Student Visa interview with the Immigration and Naturalization Service in which he mentioned his American citizen wife and newborn baby, born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961?
How did they get a staff physician at Kapi’olani to sign the birth certificate on August 8, 1961?

[Fantasywriter]

‘Have you forgotten about the birth notices in the Honolulu newspapers?’

So you’re not even reading my posts.

I’ve long suspected it. Here is the proof.

[Seizethecarp]

If I recall correctly, Mike Evans, who had his own widely distributed sports show, went on about 20 radio programs around the nation and repeated the same story over and over again that his good friend Abercrombie had just directly personally told him Barry’s BC could not be found in Hawaii after he initiated an intensive search on becoming governor!

I heard one of these interviews live and was amazed that Evans seemed to be oblivious of the problems that this revelation might cause for himself and for Abercrombie.

[Nero Germanicus]

If someone can present proof, in writing, of a birth somewhere oher than Hawai’i, I’m open to looking at it as I am sure the rest of the world would be too. Until that written proof becomes available, I’ll continue to go with what currently exists in writing.
Records from a Canadian home for unwed mothers would certianly be interesting but as we now know from the court rulings on Senator Ted Cruz’s birth in Canada to an American mother and a non-citizen father, it would not be disqualifying.

“In an article entitled “Is Ted Cruz a natural-born citizen eligible to serve as president?” published by the Constitution Center on 28 October 2013, scholar Sarah Helene Duggin explained that while the Supreme Court has never ruled on the precise meaning of a “natural born citizen,” previous presidential bids by foreign-born candidates such as John McCain and George Romney have established legal precedents for Cruz to run in 2016. Duggin also pointed to the Naturalization Act of 1790, which states that “children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens”:
The Naturalization Act of 1790 probably constitutes the most significant evidence available. Congress enacted this legislation just three years after the drafting of the Constitution, and many of those who voted on it had participated in the Constitutional Convention.”

[Fantasywriter]

Good summary. I read somewhere that Evans’ story was broadcast 34 times. I haven’t listened to them all, but without doubt Evans attributed his bombshell to Abercrombie directly at least once.

The thing that stands out is the way Evans handled his news. He clearly believed he’d been handed a scoop. Unlike the average MSMer, Evans wanted to make the most of it.

The other item of significance is that concomitantly, Abercrombie was making the statement that their research had revealed something was in the file, written down. This is confirmation of Evans’ story. Abercrombie didn’t say, ‘The birth certificate is there, right where it should be.’ He said something had been jotted down by hand.

It’s adding these items to everything else that yields the truth. If anyone ever collected all the evidence re Obama’s birth in one place, it would be overwhelming. Nobody has fifty or sixty ‘coincidences,’ re to the same issue. Obama’s official birth story is a lie—a massive one.

[Fantasywriter]

Leftists are, if I may speak frankly, tedious. You don’t even read what I post, much less respond to it. Yet you somehow feel entitled to keep posting to me. As if this is a one-way street, and you can blow off everything I write, unread, but I’m still supposed to read what you post.

It doesn’t work that way.

[Nero Germanicus]

Stop whinng. Did you answer my question about who except politicians could resolve this issue? No, you ignored it. I also ignore posts and questions that I consider to be too irrelevant or too ignorant to warrant a serious response. So if I don’t specifically respond, get a clue.