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Blogger discredits claim Amelia Earhart was taken prisoner by Japan
guardian.com ^ | July 11,2017 | Justin McCurry in Tokyo and Jamiles Lartey in New York

Posted on 07/11/2017 8:34:03 AM PDT by rdl6989

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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
The two photo’s are clearly the same, no doubts about that. but, could the Japanese credits be incorrect? Could the Japanese source be citing the wrong date for when the photo was taken?

That's a possibility. However, then the issue is how did the travelogue get a photo supposedly taken by an American spy and buried in top secret files only recently de-classified? The fact that the photo shows up at all destroys the History Channel hype.

41 posted on 07/11/2017 10:08:51 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Hillary: A unique blend of arrogance, incompetence, and corruption.)
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To: rdl6989
" I find it strange that the documentary makers didn’t confirm the date of the photograph or the publication in which it originally appeared. That’s the first thing they should have done.”

That's the FIRST question I had, how did the documentary team know for certain the DATE of the photo? It seems that they did very very shoddy "research"....
42 posted on 07/11/2017 10:30:36 AM PDT by Enchante (Searching throughout the country for one honest Democrat....)
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To: samtheman

The tv documentary was very interesting until the final 5 minutes of the program..... A big fat nothing burger.

They excavated around the vicinity of a crematorium where an earlier excavation found a bunch of bone fragments.

They were teeing up for a part two....


43 posted on 07/11/2017 10:35:27 AM PDT by Man from Oz
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To: rdl6989

Oops. My theory that Earhardt had been brainwashed and led the raid on Pearl Harbor just got shot down...


44 posted on 07/11/2017 10:36:23 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Climate Change: The Imminent Crisis That Never Arrives and the gravy train that never ends.)
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To: Rebelbase; All

If only Geraldo Rivera had been the host of the program. I mean look how well he handled the Al Capone vault show.


45 posted on 07/11/2017 10:42:45 AM PDT by rdl6989
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To: Bob434
He went with ‘very high’ degree- i disagree- I think it’s more ‘a slight chance- given the lack of details and the fact that many people fit the profiles of both

Yes but his highest category was 'extremely likely.' He hedged on his conclusion. I was surprised by his statement because if this was such conclusive evidence, I would have expected the expert to use his highest degree of assurance which is extremely likely. He made a definitive statement early (which might have been edited to make it appear stronger than it was) but when asked for his professional opinion, he ratcheted it back.

It is matter of opinion. I'm certain, given more time, the expert could have gone into much more detail about why he concluded what he did. The methodology isn't as easily corrupted as you suggest - certainly, other experts would spot the manipulation. There is a reason these experts get paid good money by court participants, museums, collectors, the government, and others to validate photographs. This expert might not have applied A-1 techniques and/or allowed his objectivity to be compromised but the methodology isn't that flawed. On the other hand, it is generally not conclusive by itself.

46 posted on 07/11/2017 11:00:34 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Hillary: A unique blend of arrogance, incompetence, and corruption.)
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To: rdl6989
The photograph was published in a book two years before the Earhart flight.

Then it is actual proof that she was sucked into a time vortex and travelled back in time. The Voyager crew found her shortly thereafter and are keeping her sequestered due to the Temporal Prime Directive 2835 and enforced by the Temporal Integrity Commission.

47 posted on 07/11/2017 11:08:33 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rdl6989

I watched the program and while it was inconclusive I am struck by the lack of comment about the plane being towed on the barge as a deciding factor. Why would any plane be being towed as in the picture? And the picture is not clear enough for me to ascertain if it was, indeed, a Lockheed Electra. Because the plane was cut off of the picture making the rounds on the internet we are left with a facial recognition/biomarkers argument versus a Japanese blogger that provides “evidence” absolving the Japanese from one more war atrocity. All parties have a dog in this fight while the general public is left to decide who they want to believe.


48 posted on 07/11/2017 11:13:09 AM PDT by vigilence (Vigilence)
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To: Man from Oz
They excavated around the vicinity of a crematorium where an earlier excavation found a bunch of bone fragments.

Did they ever say what happened to those bones? Supposedly, they went off for testing and it was concluded that they belong to a Caucasian female of approximately 40. If those bones could be located and DNA extracted and matched to Earhart (or Noonan. if the previous analysis was incorrect), the story's credibility skyrockets. Of course, the chain of custody might be a problem. We might not know where the bones came from and if the bones of Earhart and Noonan were examined or those of some relative of one of those two.

49 posted on 07/11/2017 11:13:14 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Hillary: A unique blend of arrogance, incompetence, and corruption.)
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a total tangent, and I know hindsight is easy, but I've always wondered why they didn't divide that hop into 2-3 segments instead of trying to hit an island so close to the outer limit of their range.... I know it's easy to say in retrospect, but they just did not think clearly about how difficult it might be to hit an island target in the midst of the vast Pacific given the technology and conditions they worked with.... there were not many options to put down short of Howland Island, but I'd bet there were at least a couple of islands with a tiny airstrip and a bit of fuel because of island plantations and company operations....they would have had a lot more fuel reserve if they were seeking to land after a shorter flight (in the Gilberts for instance).....they gambled their lives on being able to hit a tiny speck in a vast ocean, without a lot of fuel reserve, when they might have done a couple of shorter hops along the way. I suspect they just reflexively picked the most distant island they though they could reach that had an airstrip, and didn't think enough about the possible consequences of being off course, clouds or bad weather, low on fuel, etc. As it was they had mainly good weather, but still may have had a problem with cloud cover and visibility. I know, I know, hindsight.


50 posted on 07/11/2017 12:25:06 PM PDT by Enchante (Searching throughout the country for one honest Democrat....)
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To: rdl6989

I watched this History Channel special on Earhart and while all kinds of means we’re employed to “prove” Earhart and Noonan were in that photo, there was nothing offered to prove where and when the photo itself was taken. Apparently it took very little effort to establish the photo was taken years before. I was also unimpressed with the eyewitnesses and the convenient explanation that all skeletal remains found in the 1940s and 1960s had just gone missing and no other physical evidence was provided. The theory that Earhart and Noonan crashed and were marooned on an uninhabited atoll has more credibility since at least there are indirect pieces of physical evidence found there that could be linked to them.


51 posted on 07/11/2017 12:30:13 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcherhttp://www.stone)
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To: zot; Interesting Times; SeraphimApprentice

New article on AE: “Blogger discredits claim Amelia Earhart was taken prisoner by Japan” on Sunday night History Channel show.

I still think that the show’s premise and Fred Groener’s book about AE crash landing on Mili Atoll and dying on Saipan are correct.


52 posted on 07/11/2017 12:35:58 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: rdl6989
"There is one of you on the program who will understand what I am going to say."
53 posted on 07/11/2017 12:40:52 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Viriycho sogeret umesuggeret mipnei Benei Yisra'el; 'ein yotze' ve'ein ba'.)
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To: rdl6989

Shark Week came early for the History Channel it would seem.


54 posted on 07/11/2017 12:42:25 PM PDT by Tallguy (Twitter short-circuits common sense. Please engage your brain before tweeting.)
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To: Two Kids' Dad
The History, Aliens and Mermaids Channel.

Such phoniness from a channel that was once decent.

There is no history on the "History Channel." And the former "History International/2" was turned into a channel of degraded filth.

55 posted on 07/11/2017 12:44:54 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Viriycho sogeret umesuggeret mipnei Benei Yisra'el; 'ein yotze' ve'ein ba'.)
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To: Enchante

A volcano eruption had completely destroyed Rabaul in May 1937 adding few hundred miles to the trip.

The Australians actually had to move their administration to Lae where Earhart refueled.

They rolled the dice and lost.

Even during WWII when the area was better developed it was still a dangerous area to fly, storms could brew up at any time forcing detours that could dangerously stretch your fuel supply.


56 posted on 07/11/2017 12:45:02 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Oatka

That sounds like it’s right out of the documentary on the History Channel.Numerous witnesses recall certain things they saw as children back then, and recall being told to never say anything about that woman and man they saw in the custody of the Japanese military.The pair of “stars” of this docu, a retired Treasury Agent and a high ranking former FBI guy,had an obvious agenda going in, and seized upon some documents recently declassified, all of which pointed to a cover-up-—which they feel further buttresses their claim that Earhart and her navigator were captured at the site of the plane crash, held, probably imprisoned, and killed “as spies”.Their most dramatic claim is that they were abandoned by the US Government so as not to reveal that we had a very active intelligence program re: the Japanese, that they supposedly should never find out about. That on the face of it was not too convincingly proved. Earhart’s own brother is convinced that she died of dysentery while in prison and that her navigator was beheaded. (That is certainly not outside the Jap Military’s wheelhouse—they were into the most savage kind of punishment, as was proved time and again during WW2. Some not inconsiderable amount of “proof” though, was put on this photo on the wharf , though,now proved to be from two years earlier, but it really doesn’t completely undermine the rest of their theories-—it merely throws the selectivity of their into question. Either way, it was a documentary exploration which left the viewer with a lingering sadness, and some degree of outrage, justifiable or not.


57 posted on 07/11/2017 12:48:39 PM PDT by supremedoctrine ("If you want to be able to predict the future, first you have to create it"---Lincoln)
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To: Snickering Hound

interesting info, thx


58 posted on 07/11/2017 12:49:12 PM PDT by Enchante (Searching throughout the country for one honest Democrat....)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

The photo on the wharf supposedly showing Earhart “sittin’ on the dock of the bay” with her back to the camera, and the navigator standing up in a group of others, was from a BOOK that was published TWO YEARS before her disappearance , so it couldn’t have been taken any later than 1935. It is therefore not what they said it was, and could not be offered as any kind of evidence supporting the rest of their conspiracy story. The rest of it, however, “might” be true in parts.Some strong evidence that the plane crashed on the Atoll is established by recovered parts of a plane matching exactly the rolled (reinforced) metal on the front of the plane, in addition to some wheeled dollies which they say were used to move the crashed plane from where it landed, were discovered just sitting there on a stretch of beach continuing to rust out after all these decades. Photos exhibited in the docu show the Jap military using these wheeled dollies to move other stuff around


59 posted on 07/11/2017 1:00:45 PM PDT by supremedoctrine ("If you want to be able to predict the future, first you have to create it"---Lincoln)
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To: tophat9000

The documentary positively crowed the fact that the two lead invesstigators were formerly with the Treasury Dept and the FBI-—but maybe you’re saying that none of us on the thread brought it up? PS-—Crowdstrike wasn’t brought up, but I don’t know what that is....maybe a kind of crowdfunding that was used to finance this investigation? I am looking it up now.


60 posted on 07/11/2017 1:05:07 PM PDT by supremedoctrine ("If you want to be able to predict the future, first you have to create it"---Lincoln)
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