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The Edwardian Debutante: How Women Entered Society Before the Great War
Edwardian Promenade ^ | 12-05-2013 | Camille Hadley Jones

Posted on 04/09/2017 1:14:10 PM PDT by NRx

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To: Little Bill
How far back are you going and where?

Some did get married pretty young, but IIRC, the average age of getting married, at this time point, was a bit older than 16...more like 18-20 or even 23.

21 posted on 04/09/2017 2:14:40 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: MayflowerMadam

That movie and book, did throw Thaw in, but was VERY minimal.


22 posted on 04/09/2017 2:15:56 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: DeFault User
There are still major Deb balls ( which are called COTILLIONS in some places ), but for the most part, have more or less died out.

The Quinceanera is more like a HUGE birthday party and celebrates girls turning 15. They have them in Florida and Texas...perhaps in other places too.

Deb Balls are to introduce upper middle to extremely wealthy young women to society and has nothing at all to do with anyone's birthday.

23 posted on 04/09/2017 2:19:51 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: boxlunch
It is interesting thought that from lower to upper levels, it was understood that honorable young men and women obeyed societies rules. I think our society was much safer and more stable as a result.

Yes, a civilized society. Basic right and wrong, Ten Commandments, do unto others, an understanding of good and evil and a common sense societal culture.

Went down hill after the 60s with the drugs and the socialist/communist debasement of religion and their 45 other goals.

How are we doing? I know I'm older, but things were good in 62', the American Grafitti class.

As an aside, check this out: AMERICAN GRAFFITI - The CARS

24 posted on 04/09/2017 2:20:56 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: DeFault User

My college roommate and her younger sister had debut balls. This was in the mid-80s. I found the dressmaker who made my wedding dress (she also owned a taco shop) because she made the dress my roommate wore to her sister’s party.


25 posted on 04/09/2017 2:28:55 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("I prefer to think of myself as ... civilized." ~Jonathan Q. Higgins)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yes, this was just the very upper crust. Top level of the Titanic cabins. They felt that their role was to set an example for society, and they did it rather well, in my own humble opinion.


26 posted on 04/09/2017 2:30:17 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: DeFault User

Hispanics in San Antonio do the same thing. I saw one where they rented the entire Convention Center.


27 posted on 04/09/2017 2:35:44 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("I prefer to think of myself as ... civilized." ~Jonathan Q. Higgins)
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To: AnAmericanMother
She had a very distinctive face,

True, especially that chin. Her slip is flattering, but her hair is rather femme-mullet.

28 posted on 04/09/2017 2:37:09 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("I prefer to think of myself as ... civilized." ~Jonathan Q. Higgins)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Thanks for the info. When I saw the photo, I thought that it looked like EN as well. Boy, she sure was something in those photos!

Youtube has a film (with sound) of her doing a singing routine in some nightclub in the ‘30’s. She was much older, but still fairly attractive. Seeing her in live motion with sound was fascinating for me.


29 posted on 04/09/2017 2:37:36 PM PDT by PlateOfShrimp
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To: nopardons

Or RAGTIME.


30 posted on 04/09/2017 3:01:24 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ("You know Caligula?" --- "Worse! Caligula knows me!")
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To: Tax-chick
No...the loosened hair is part of the dishabille look; it's what passed for "sexy", back then.

She was the model for the quintissential "IT GIRL" of the Edwardian era...known as THE GIBSON GIRL and sometimes "THE QUESTION MARK", because her profile and hair form a "question mark".

31 posted on 04/09/2017 3:08:34 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Tax-chick
No...the loosened hair is part of the dishabille look; it's what passed for "sexy", back then.

She was the model for the quintissential "IT GIRL" of the Edwardian era...known as THE GIBSON GIRL and sometimes "THE QUESTION MARK", because her profile and hair form a "question mark".

32 posted on 04/09/2017 3:08:42 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Hardly....there's almost NOTHING at all about Thaw and Evelyn in "RAGTIME".

There are some good books on Stanford White and several ( which I have already posted a few of the titles of ) about Evelyn Nesbit.

33 posted on 04/09/2017 3:13:03 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
The Quinceanera is more like a HUGE birthday party and celebrates girls turning 15. They have them in Florida and Texas...perhaps in other places too.

And we have "Sweet Sixteen" parties here too, which seems similar.

34 posted on 04/09/2017 3:14:28 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Do girls still have "SWEET 16" birthday parties?

That started in the last few decades of the 19th century, because it was when a girl put her hair up and got to wear long skirts/dresses ( grownup clothes ), but I though that that petered out in the late 5p0s-very early '60s.

35 posted on 04/09/2017 3:20:08 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: ifinnegan

:)


36 posted on 04/09/2017 3:21:30 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NRx

Thank goodness.


37 posted on 04/09/2017 3:22:25 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: nopardons
My friend gave his daughter a "Sweet 16" party in the 90's. Don't know how popular they still are. MTV had a series "My Super Sweet 16", that ran from 2004 to 2008.

The Senior Prom is still a big thing, as far as I know.

38 posted on 04/09/2017 3:26:53 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: NRx

This is about upper class women.

our ancestors went out to work in the fields, or as maids, cooks, nannies, weavers, or factory workers at age 14.


39 posted on 04/09/2017 3:28:09 PM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: LadyDoc

Agreed.


40 posted on 04/09/2017 3:29:34 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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