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1 posted on 03/19/2017 7:19:19 AM PDT by MNDude
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Obama requested two FISA oks to tap Trump....and apparently, one, perhaps two were granted..... there is no doubt that Trump was tapped by Obama (that is to say, his minions).

FISA TIMELINE

June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

October 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons.

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The Obama wire-tapping gang WILL have to face the music.

(JIM0216 hat tip)......the issue isn't whether Trump was wiretapped (Obama admitted such and there's a FISA paper trail...... warrants issued for the wiretapping). The issue is whether there was probable cause to issue a warrant. Probable cause is defined as the reasonable likelihood that a crime is or has been committed by the person or at the place designated........

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(REAGANGENERATION2 HAT TIP)---Trump should be able to review all 2 or 3 FISA requests (if he hasn’t already), and then let Congress determine if the requesters lied about the probable cause justifying them......then (1) you’d prove perjury, and, even worse, (2) the intent was to abuse executive power.

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A good beginning....and then it gets downright lethal for the Obama gang:

Via Breitbart, JOHN HAYWARD observed that the FISA court may have approved a warrant submitted without Trump’s name but “which Obama then misused to spy on Trump and many connected to Trump.”

Ergo the most serious legal jeopardy that might be faced would be (a) perjury for lying to the FISA court, and, (b) the dissemination of collected intelligence that should have been kept tightly classified.

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It is also entirely possible that Obama and his legal team may have perjured themselves before the FISA court by willfully withholding material information in order to manipulate the FISA court’s willingness to permit the government surveillance.

FALSIFYING GOVT DOCUMENTS would fall under the Crimes Act of 1958. Moreover, falsifying official documents is the criminal MO to hide larger crimes.

EXCERPT A person falsifying documents can be held criminally liable if they are deliberately acting with the intention of deceiving or defrauding another party.

Falsifying documents is a very serious offense and is generally classified as a felony. This means that a person charged with falsifying documents may be subject to the following legal penalties:
◾Having to pay a monetary fine
◾Incarceration in a prison facility

Depending on the gravity of the offense, as well as individual state laws, falsifying documents can result in a prison sentence of 5-10 years.

And if official government documents or govt authorities were involved, the legal penalties may be more severe. Legal penalties may increase with repeat offenses.

Many different types of acts can be considered as falsifying a document, including:
◾Altering or misrepresenting fact-based information
◾Stating false information when requested to provide truthful statements
◾Forging a signature
◾Using official letterheads without authorization
◾Knowingly using or distributing a fake document

The penalty for falsifying government documents is outlined in the Crimes Act of 1958. (excerpt)

29 posted on 03/19/2017 7:40:03 AM PDT by Liz ( w W)
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There will be evidence of “surveillance” but the democrats and the MSM will say that Trump lied when he said that Obama sneaked into Trump tower and tapped Trump’s land line and should be impeached for dissing the former president/prince.


33 posted on 03/19/2017 7:42:42 AM PDT by odawg
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If ø denies it he’s guilty.


34 posted on 03/19/2017 7:44:32 AM PDT by onedoug
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I believe Trump said (March 15 2017), that interesting information will come out over the next two weeks.
Trump did not say he, personally, was releasing information.

We know 0bama spied on everyone, Merkel, Journalists, Judges, Congress critters. EVERYONE.

Folks will find out Everyone is “wiretapped”, and the true nature of this surveillance. Snowden will be proven to be truthful.

Folks will learn 0bama used this information to win elections and blackmail people.

We may have to dispatch US Marshals to bring 0bama back from French Polynesia and deposit 0bama into Club Gitmo


35 posted on 03/19/2017 7:44:37 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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The media and the NeverTrumper cabal in the federal government still haven’t figured it out. Donald Trump says things that are calculated for effect. For everything he says or tweets he expects a particular outcome that will benefit him. He won’t throw some outlandish claim out there just for the heck of it. He’s sitting on a mountain of evidence and just waiting to do another gotcha on these clowns. In the meantime more and more Americans are waking up to the reality that there may be rogue elements in the federal government, and it’s not just kook talk anymore.


40 posted on 03/19/2017 7:51:09 AM PDT by dowcaet
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If there’s anything the FReepers lack it certainly isn’t imagination.........


42 posted on 03/19/2017 7:54:04 AM PDT by varon (There's always room for one more on the hanging tree.....)
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Trump will admit that he has nothing, that there was no surveillance, and that the Russians really did hack the election. He will then submit his resignation and endorse Hillary’s 2020 candidacy. /s


43 posted on 03/19/2017 7:54:39 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Hillary: Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect 2 billion dollars.)
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Part two of ??? parts history of our agreement where the Brits spied on our people and we spied on their people for 7+ decades. Unlike PRISM, the MUSCULAR program requires no (FISA or other type of) warrants.

“It couldn’t possibly be true, because that is not how our system works,” Pelosi said during a Christian Science Monitor breakfast in Washington.

“We do not investigate, through a FISA court, Americans — here or abroad.”

Well, Nancy how about this: Part two of ??? parts history of our agreement where the Brits spied on our people and we spied on their people for 7+ decades. Unlike PRISM, the MUSCULAR program requires no (FISA or other type of) warrants.

MUSCULAR (surveillance program)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

MUSCULAR (DS-200B), located in the United Kingdom,[1] is the name of a surveillance programme jointly operated by Britain’s Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) and the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) that was revealed by documents which were released by Edward Snowden and interviews with knowledgeable officials.[2] GCHQ is the primary operator of the program.[1]

GCHQ and the National Security Agency have secretly broken into the main communications links that connect the data centers of Yahoo! and Google.[3]Substantive information about the program was made public at the end of October 2013.

Contents:

1 Overview
2 Operational details
3 Reactions and countermeasures
4 Gallery
5 See also
6 References
7 External links

Overview:

The programme is jointly run by:
– Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) (United Kingdom)
– U.S. National Security Agency (NSA)

MUSCULAR is one of at least four other similar programs that rely on a trusted 2nd party, programs which together are known as WINDSTOP.

In a 30-day period from December 2012 to January 2013, MUSCULAR was responsible for collecting 181 million records. It was however dwarfed by another WINDSTOP program known (insofar) only by its code DS-300 and codename INCENSER, which collected over 14 billion records in the same period.[4]
Operational details:

According to the leaked document the NSA’s acquisitions directorate sends millions of records every day from internal Yahoo! and Google networks to data warehouses at the agency’s headquarters at Fort Meade, Maryland.

The programme operates via an access point known as DS-200B, which is outside the United States, and it relies on an unnamed telecommunications operator to provide secret access for the NSA and the GCHQ.[3]

According to the Washington Post, the MUSCULAR program collects more than twice as many data points (“selectors” in NSA jargon) compared to the better known PRISM.[2]

Unlike PRISM, the MUSCULAR program requires no (FISA or other type of) warrants.

Because of the huge amount of data involved, MUSCULAR has presented a special challenge to NSA’s Special Source Operations. For example, when Yahoo! decided to migrate a large amount of mailboxes between its data centers, the NSA’s PINWALE database (their primary analytical database for the Internet) was quickly overwhelmed with the data coming from MUSCULAR.[5]

Closely related programmes are called INCENSER and TURMOIL. TURMOIL, belonging to the NSA, is a system for processing the data collected from MUSCULAR.[1]

According to a post-it style note from the presentation, the exploitation relied on the fact that (at the time at least) data was transmitted unencrypted inside Google’s private cloud, with “Google Front End Servers” stripping and respectively adding back SSL from/to external connections.

According to the Washington Post: “Two engineers with close ties to Google exploded in profanity when they saw the drawing.” After the information about MUSCULAR was published by the press, Google announced that it was working on deploying encrypted communication between its datacenters.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUSCULAR_(surveillance_program)


44 posted on 03/19/2017 7:54:53 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Remember during Trump Tower Spydgate, there were No American fingerprints; just Obama's...!!!!:))
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Obama taking off to Tahiti


46 posted on 03/19/2017 7:55:33 AM PDT by butlerweave
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I have little doubt that Trump was not spied upon. Oh course he was. That’s how governments work, especially ours. I, also, have little doubt the trail won’t lead to anyone but the lowest level of the chain as to who’s responsible. That’s also how the government and the libs work.

The humor in it for me is that now we are actually using wireless cyber spying that the government and the media denied existed just a short time ago in a television commercial to try to advertise for people to join the army. And yet the libs continue to say it isn’t done by anybody. Even for something as serious as a presidential election. How stupid is that? COME ON, MAN!!!

red


48 posted on 03/19/2017 7:55:45 AM PDT by Redwood71
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Without question the Hussein admin monitored/eavesdropped/wire tapped/surveyed many people they deemed opposition. Dennis Kucinich and Sharyl Attkisson are just a couple. They tried and tried to bury Trump and couldn’t do it, you better believe they were watching him hard.

Officially the story is dead. Even Trump sounded like he’s accepted it in the presser with Merkel. All news outlets have their marching orders now. Expect Judge Napolitano to be scarce on FOX and maybe to permantly gone.


49 posted on 03/19/2017 7:56:04 AM PDT by moehoward
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Warning to those not born in the US, the image below can not be shown to Foreign Born. Probably Obama and Jarrett* should just close their eyes and move on.

According to a post-it style note from the presentation, the exploitation relied on the fact that (at the time at least) data was transmitted unencrypted inside Google's private cloud, with "Google Front End Servers" stripping and respectively adding back SSL from/to external connections. According to the Washington Post: "Two engineers with close ties to Google exploded in profanity when they saw the drawing." After the information about MUSCULAR was published by the press, Google announced that it was working on deploying encrypted communication between its datacenters.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUSCULAR_(surveillance_program)

*Jarrett’s involvement in Iran is cause for concern for three additional reasons–two minor and one major. One minor reason is that she was born there. That should not automatically disqualify anyone, of course, any more than being born in the Soviet Union would have disqualified an anti-Soviet dissident. But Jarrett was born in 1956 to American expatriates in the aftermath of the CIA-assisted coup that deposed Mohammad Mossadegh.

50 posted on 03/19/2017 7:56:10 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Remember during Trump Tower Spydgate, there were No American fingerprints; just Obama's...!!!!:))
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Obama planned to collect or invent enough evidence against Trump to destroy him, his business, family, and associates under the watchful eye of the Clinton administration.

Mr. Trump spoiled their plan by winning. But the Obama/Clinton cabal was so confident that she would win, that they left a trail of evidence behind sufficient to prosecute. Which will not happen.


53 posted on 03/19/2017 8:01:29 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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Nothing.


57 posted on 03/19/2017 8:07:12 AM PDT by mak5
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Notice the date when the UK Director of GCHQ which monitors Americans including Trump, us an you. Only 2 days after Trump dropped the bombshell that he was monitored!

News Jan 23, 2017 - Robert Hannigan, the director of GCHQ, has resigned from his job as ... his post for "personal reasons" and that he was not sacked or subject to ... Head of GCHQ spy agency resigns for family reasons | Reuters uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-gchq-idUKKBN15723S

Is there any doubt that the NY Slimes front page on 20 Jan 2017 helped Robert Hannigan, the director of GCHQ, to resign from his job!

The irony here is just too much. The NY Times accused President Bush of spying on Americans in 2003 and were proven wrong. Yet, in 2016, we may have President Obama doing exactly that and the evidence for it provided by the very same NY Times. In Jan 2017, their front page said:


58 posted on 03/19/2017 8:08:28 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Remember during Trump Tower Spydgate, there were No American fingerprints; just Obama's...!!!!:))
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So far it’s like the online equivalent of pissing your pants in public, claiming someone else did it and then not bothering to change or explain. If Trump has evidence, the time to clean up the mess is passing quickly. My $0.02.


69 posted on 03/19/2017 8:40:46 AM PDT by pt17
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Trump has always proven to be right. Especially when he doubles down. The parsing of words tactics by his detractors tells the story. There is fire there and the use of shorthand verbiage in a tweet is not going to save the liberals.


72 posted on 03/19/2017 8:46:27 AM PDT by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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Just finished watching Fox New Sunday. Chrissy Wallace kept referring to this as a “distraction” to the Administration.

Frankly, I believe that President Trump can walk and chew gum simultaneously.


89 posted on 03/19/2017 12:47:06 PM PDT by HotKat (Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason. Mark Twain)
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