Posted on 04/19/2016 6:48:39 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage
“Who started peddling this idea that the nominee can hire/fire the head of the RNC?”
Nominee? I’m talking president or the office of the “president elect”.
Okay then -- who started peddling this idea that the President or President-elect has the authority to fire and replace the head of the RNC?
Doesn't anybody know how to do some basic internet research? Or do you guys just not care if what you're saying it truthful or not?
> “Why would the people he’s been insulting back him? “
Because in every group there are leaders and there are followers. Take out the leaders and the followers will follow the new leader.
Very informative. What you and your supporters of the RNC don’t get is that we want the Republican Party to be destroyed. We can do better. The RNC and party has been a disaster for 20 years and the sooner it is destroyed the better for our country and the new party it replaced. Do you mourn the death of the Whig party? Seriously. When you get rid of a party, a better one comes out of the ashes at least until the party is corrupt again as the Republican Party is.
And yet there is an extraordinary number of Freepers that say they detest executive orders out of one side of their mouths, yet cheer the possibility that Trump if elected, will rule just as obama, as a monarch sending his decrees down from on high. I have no such aspirations for our next President and consider it highly likely that should we elect a Republican President we will lose the majorities that we have, on paper anyway, in at least one of the houses. Not that the RHINOs would support Trump's campaign platform to begin with.
And of course the next response will be that then we will vote the RHINOs out, while in the meantime the demonrats will work to replace them with their own and nothing will be accomplished without the dealmaker, and us having to accept such watered down agreements as to make them moot. We don't have the leadership or the will in Congress that we did under Newt Gingrich, as a matter fact we may as well just declare this the congress of the uniparty.
Where Republicans in Congress fall short is in their resistance to Obama. They don't pass his legislation, which is commendable and important. But they also don't defund things that were passed under prior Congresses. Whether or not you think they should is sort of a tactical/strategic question.
Yup, had a little "discussion" with one such STRUMPET, the other day,it was the straw that broke this camel's back. Because I dared to question some BS about Cruz I was attacked as a Cruz supporter, I'm not, and as someone who shouldn't be posting on FR because obviously I don't contribute. Bottom line I thanked him for being the defining factor in my decision to sit out the election, something I haven't done in over forty years. I have had it with the mindless hate.
To the contrary, I understand that very well. In fact, it's the essence of my entire point.
You guys want to destroy the GOP. Got that. But are you really naïve enough to believe that the GOP you openly wish to destroy is going to cooperate with you in that destruction? Why in the world would the state GOP's or RNC elect people to positions of power that want to destroy them? You have tens of thousands of elected Republicans all over this country at the state, local, and federal level, and of course all the folks who voted for them. You think all those people are going to abandon the party just because Trump wins the nomination? I don't think so.
As for your overall goal of destroying the GOP, there will be no viable third party that arises from the ashes. The GOP will remain, probably representing about 50-60% of the current membership. At the very best, the "Trumpist" party -- may grab 40% or so of the current GOP. Which will mean that each will represent, at best, perhaps 20% of the electorate. The Democrats will have no opposition at all, and will grab complete control of the Presidency, Congress, and Supreme Court.
More likely, the collection of nutbags that will gravitate towards the populist Trumpist party will share the fate of the "Reform" party. A core of fairly reasonable people overwhelmed by nutbags from every corner of the political spectrum. So it will end up dying out, but not before giving the Democrats the edge they need to grab complete, permanent control.
Now I will be attacked as either a Cruz supporter or someone who doesn't even think we should try, and they'll be wrong on both counts. After the constant barrage of attacks on those that don't think right like them, the Trump supporters, rather than win me to support Trump, have led me to the decision to say "screw it", you don't need me so I'll just sit out this dance.
I've been arguing here for months that the fighting and nasty rhetoric has to stop, that we have to rally around the eventual nominee no matter who it is, just to stop Hillary. Most of my family was saying that they wouldn't support Trump as the nominee, and I was trying to convince them otherwise.
Unfortunately, the more I read from Trump supporters openly hating anyone who doesn't see things their way, and the more Trump himself is making it him against the party, the more I'm drifting to your own conclusion.
Better then W who never fought back. Everyone hated that. That is why the voters want trump. He’s a fighter. He doesn’t take crap which is very refreshing.
Well stated. Karl “ The Architect” was one who advised W not to do so , and look what we got Obama.
I just do not see Congress supporting mass deportations,
Trump is a negotiator/deal closer. He knows where he wants to get to.
He sets the bar extremely high in the opener, knowing where his end goal is.
The MSM loves to paint the “ opener” as the end point... Too bad some of us get what the Donalds method is.
I think a wall of some kind would probably be built/completed if Trump or Cruz is elected, though not the 40 foot tall Gulf to Pacific monstrosity Trump is yacking about.
I get this argument, and I do think it has some merit in terms of him not actually meaning everything he says. Some of it is negotiating posture.
But I have an honest (not snarky) question. How do you actually know what his "real" position is? I say this because of his comment about Romney's "self-deport" plan as being "mean-spirited". So what do you think Trump's "bottom line" really is, how do you actually know that's where it is, and how do you know that it is actually better than what others have proposed?
Again, I actually get the "negotiation" argument. I just don't know how anyone is supposed to know what his "actual" position really is.
Trump has gone out of his way to piss off the members of the RNC, and you think they would support him rather than Priebus??? More than 2/3 of them (which is what it takes to remove the chairman)?? Since they are selected by state members of the party (the "establishment"), Trump really has no leverage over them. So why would they get behind Trump?
I have to add that there are some more reasonable Trump supporters out there as well, and it must be enormously frustrating for some of them to have to listen to terrible arguments being put forth by people who supposedly are on their side.
Well that’s dismal. Lol. It would take a decade to have any semblance of another party. That is true and even then may not work. But it’s so frustrating to see the American people give the GOPe the senate and house and they squander it. In fact, I believe we had all 3 portions of government during bush years and nothing was done. So frustrating. And I get that trump may not be GOPe preferred candidate but never have we seen a major party fight actively against a front runner. That is definitely unpresidented.
I read where Trump and Buffet both started with 40 million at the same time and Trump parlayed that into, according to Forbes, 4.5 billion which I agree is quite impressive, while Buffet parlayed his into 62 billion. You are asking what's my point? My point is that if we really want the smartest guy in the room, the best dealmaker and we measure that by their wealth then we we don't want Trump we want Should want Buffet!
> “Trump has gone out of his way to piss off the members of the RNC, and you think they would support him rather than Priebus?”
Yes.
After Trump wins the nomination, the RNC members that haven’t fled to the nearest exit will fall in behind the new leader or they will become irrelevant.
The choice will be support and unify, and gain something, or promote disunity, and lose a lot more.
This is always the way it works. As those in top advisor positions with decades of political campaign experience say, there is always a period of ‘healing’ that follows political campaigns, then unity results.
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