Posted on 04/06/2016 3:22:29 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
Agree with you one hundred percent. Cruz said at the time that he wanted the Gang of Eight to pass/become law. He correctly foresaw that it would be difficult to get it through the House. The single biggest change to the bill the Cruz amendment mandated was a fig leaf to give Reps a talking point. I.e. they could have told their constituents, “But the legalized ‘undocumented immigrants’ can never become citizens.”
It was a lie—Cruz’ specialty—but he hoped voters would be stupid enough to buy it just long enough not to vote their Reps out en masse. Cruz is the antithesis of conservative; let’s sincerely hope his supporters don’t have to find this out the hard way.
Agree with your post/analysis! I have some corroborating info. I have an errand to run first. Then I’ll plan on elaborating.
Great analysis! Here are two more points.
Cruz supporters base their assumptions on two erroneous presuppositions. First, in order for their theory to hold up, the Cruz family had to be responsible, conscientious and efficient. I.e.: a top priority after Ted’s birth would have had to be getting the paperwork squared away at the US Consulate.
Here’s the problem. No family headed by two alcoholics is efficient, responsible or conscientious. These families are by definition dysfunctional. It’s rare for even all the necessities to get taken care of, much less extras.
Second, the assumption is that even if Cruz’ dysfunctional family did nothing, Ted was automatically a US citizen.
NOT TRUE.
Governor Paul LePage of Maine has the facts. He, being an American citizen, had two daughters born in Canada. Neither was an automatic US citizen; both had to be naturalized in order to gain US citizenship.
There are not two sets of rules, one for LePages and one for Cruzes. There is one set of rules. Cruz, to gain US citizenship, would have had to naturalize. There is zero evidence that he did.
Agree with you; he’s not a US citizen at all.
Oops; your candidate has issues. See post 103.
Apparently, ya’ll can read Cruz’s mind and know his intentions better than he or Jeff Sessions and Mike Lee do. You haven’t addressed Trump’s statements that support amnesty.
I’m not reading Cruz’ mind; I’m reading his tweets. The, “He was lying,” explanation has simply worn too thin.
Jeff Sessions co-wrote Trump’s immigration paper, and Sessions publicly approved/endorsed the final product. Sessions doesn’t endorse amnesty.
Sessions supported Cruz and his position and knows it better than you. You are making an assumption about his ttweet when it can be interpreted in a different way.
First, Sessions is on the record saying that what killed amnesty was Cantor’s defeat/Brat’s victory. Cruz didn’t lift his littlest finger to help Brat in any way, shape or form.
Second, Cruz’ tweet is not deep or mysterious. He expressed himself with simple clarity: first comes border ‘security,’ then comes legalization. Anyone with English as a first language can easily grasp what he meant.
And again, the “He was lying,” routine is just silly. Cruz had no reason to lie to his most devoted supporters.
Gang of Eight was passed in Senate.
However, in the House it was stopped when Cantor lost in his primary.
Dave Brat saved us from Amnesty.
CanuckTed had NOTHING to do with stopping it.
Apparently Jeff Sessions thought Cruz had an impact. He delayed it and brought out the problems with it. Cantor losing was the biggest impact, but the Senate battles helped in the election and got more people to contact their representative.
Still no explanations for Trump's statement?
it’s hard to generalize, but you’re going to have to look at the individual people, see how they’ve done, see how productive they’ve been, see what their references are, and then make a decision.
‘You can accuse him of being a lawyer with a strategy, but your accusation of lying is your own interpretation.’
Could you get it any more backwards? I’m the one saying take Cruz’ tweet at face value. I.e.: accept that he was telling the truth, and supports mass legalization.
The explanation I’ve gotten from Cruz supporters is that Ted was lying. I.e.: that he said he supports legalization but he wasn’t being honest.
Are you able to grasp this? It’s very basic, and shouldn’t be as confusing as you make it.
If you want to understand Trump’s immigration policy, read his position paper on the subject. The one Sessions co-wrote. There’s no amnesty in it.
Now, that is pretty funny. You choose to twist anything Cruz says while telling me to basically ignore what Trump says in the past and point to his position paper.
Well, I will do likewise.
Would this be Cruz’ post-soccer balls and teddy bears position?
Trump didn’t support his own signature issue until just recently and you’re mocking Cruz for helping kids that were being used as pawns? Got it.
Here is Cruz’ problem. He got into the race before Trump. He made a speech spelling out the basis of his candidacy. He didn’t mention a wall. He made no mention of the abject crisis on the border. Heaven knows he said nothing about deportation. Above all, he didn’t even hint at America’s catastrophic loss of sovereignty.
Additionally, his soccer ball and teddy bear Foreign Invader Welcoming Party was a window into his soul. That was the real Ted Cruz, serving the needs of Foreign Invaders before concerning himself with the carnage they inflict on America/Americans.
Speaking of which, it is a total and complete Obama/Alinsky MYTH that these were ‘kids.’ Most were late teens/early twenties gang bangers. Obama has been flooding the country with this devastating crime wave as part of his vile and hateful goal of fundamentally transforming the USA. And Cruz aided and abetted him—shame!
Trump subsequently entered the race. Unlike Cruz, he spoke of the foreign invader crisis, and of the need for a wall and for mass deportations. Most importantly, he detailed the absolutely devastating loss of sovereignty the US has suffered, and the critical urgency of restoring it. [There isn’t one Cruz supporter in a million that grasps the issue of sovereignty. That is why the fact that to this day Cruz has still not mentioned it bothers them not at all.]
Yes, Me-Too-Ted has been appropriating Trump’s immigration issues ever since—at least, after he saw how strongly they the resonated with voters, he began appropriating them. But that doesn’t change the fact that he couldn’t be bothered to mention such issues when he entered the primary. His biggest donors wouldn’t have liked it.
Cruz has shown us all who he is, and whose side he’s on. His supporters simply cannot/will not see it.
Caveat Emptor
Here's a quote for you to look up.
Trump is NO conservative. He’s a self-dealing charlatan and he’s got a lot of fall-for-anything chump types fooled.
In The Art of the Deal Trump says you make promises...and then you DELIVER on those promises. Delivery is an indispensable part of the deal.
This is how Trump differs from Cruz. Cruz campaigned on building a wall when running for the Senate. With Palin’s crucial help, Cruz won that race.
After which we heard no more about the wall—not so much as a whisper. It was just a line Cruz used to get elected; then he threw it away.
Of course after Trump promised a wall, Me-Too-Ted retrieved his old line from the trash can and dusted it off. But anybody who falls for it this time just likes being lied to.
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, and I was asking for it [or in this case, Cruz supporters were asking for it].
I hear what you are saying. But I see a double-standard when it comes to accountability. For example, a month after entering the race, Donald Trump said that he would expedite the return of illegals back into the US. Yet Trump is not held to the same standard as Cruz. In 2012, Trump criticized Mitt Romney’s immigration position as being “mean-spirited”. Yet those words are forgotten as Trump continues to inflate the cost of his wall - a wall that he will allow expeditiously returning illegals to bypass.
I'll just leave you with this:
Aldo Nova - Fantasy
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