Posted on 03/31/2016 5:04:48 PM PDT by Morgana
My brother used the analogy of selling a kidney. You punish both parties involved. I’m still a Cruziak, but Trump was right. Too bad he walked it back.
You do realize that is not Trump’s latest position ... right?
Before Roe v. Wade, it wasn't illegal to undergo an abortion; it was illegal (in the states where it was illegal) to perform an abortion. So, strictly speaking, a woman was never violating a law; but she was paying someone else to violate a law. But, again, the law didn't categorize the woman as an accomplice, because usually the only testimony available against abortionists was that of women who had undergone them. If the goal is enforceable law that actually decreases the prohibited behavior, then it makes sense not to punish the woman.
All that said, I think the reaction over Trump saying this is a little overblown. It is evidence that he isn't deeply familiar with the pro-life movement, which for some people raises questions about his sincerity on the issue. But I get the reaction expressed by folks: if it's wrong, and it's illegal, it's reasonable to punish someone for it. I'm not saying that's an unreasonable view; I'm just trying to explain why women weren't punished pre-Roe.
Absolutely, there are degrees of sin and crime, and should be judged accordingly. Even to adults who have consented to it. The Catholic catechism considered it culpability, and it is a priest's job to determine the penance and for God to determine the punishment, if any. Our courts definitely agree with the Catholic church on some punishments and degrees of culpability therefor; disagree with the church on others.
But the one who unknowingly does things worthy of punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and from him who has been entrusted with much, even more will be demanded.
Jesus also said prostitutes would inherit the Kingdom before some of the people listening to Him in his earthly presence.
Are you going to argue with God about it?
The reason that women are being pushed as the victim of abortions as opposed to the baby, who is the actual victim, is because the women can vote and the baby cannot.
Trump’s original response was correct, and that he has walked it back to the women are the victim nonsense saddens me.
The women involved in this made a conscious choice.
The baby has no choice, no voice, no say in the matter at all, and the baby is deprived of its God given life.
There is your victim.
Trump as sadly shown that he will not lead on this, but rather he will follow the crowd.
It is going to take true bravery to lead on this, and I am not sure that such exists, and if it does, I fear it will be shouted down.
We have lost our way on this as a nation.
In any event, Trump has already flip-flopped twice on the issue since he made the statement to Matthews.
This is a very helpful read: http://www.breitbart.com/abortion/2016/03/31/truth-punishing-women-abortion-never-happened-never-will/
We know. Do you want tell us what it is now, or wait until tomorrow when it changes?
Yes he is correct. Hillary who is for abortion until birth is making an issue of Trumps comment about “IF” abortion became “ILLEGAL” then it would be a crime to get an abortion. DUH if it is against the law then YES she would be quilty of a crime...that is what laws are. I am sad to see so many pro lifers jump on this today.
Dr. Nathanson was one of the founders of the National Association for repeal of Abortion Laws in the U.S. He also is credited with producing the film, "The Silent Scream".
An Ex-Abortionist Speaks - Dr. Bernard Nathanson
God is truly patient if the above is any indication.
I am Catholic and I know the catechism. I also know that it is NOT against Catholic teaching to punish women who get abortions. Therefore your long winded post has no impact on me and my thinking.
It is amazing to me how people today cannot comprehend that all crimes should have a punishment. I think it is that simple.
I am sad to see that so many people in general in our country do not understand that.
Agreed. Your comment seemed to disagree with that. My apologizes if that was not the intent.
I read an article today about abortion clinics closing because of lack of business. I hope maybe the young people coming up are getting better despite all the obstacles to that which our society puts in their paths.
Partial and plenary indulgences have been abused in the past, but the purpose of them is to remit part or all punishment due for confessed sins. Intentionally unconfessed sins will be judged by God.
If you don't like my long winded posts, my shorter ones, or any ones please don't read them.
You set out in attack mode with your insults. You could have handled everything more politely. Please do me a favor and do not ever respond to my posts again. If I have erred, I will be corrected by someone else more politely. Thank you. May God have mercy on you.
I’ve noticed some closures on the web. That is hopeful, isn’t it? I surely hope you are correct and the closings continue. I’m not against womens’ health services of which there are several that don’t involve sinful activities, most of all abortions.
One would think then that you would want a match in severity between the punishment the Church provides, when it comes to abortion. So the Church excommunicates but you want the woman who procures an abortion to be labeled a victim?
My attitude of punishing the woman in court seems commensurate with the Church’s punishment.
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Yes it is. My Grandsons (16 and 14) are both strongly against abortion. I never talked to them much about it before I asked them what they thought. I was shocked and happy. I think many of the kids today may be better people than we suspect.
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