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How Do We Terraform Mars?
Universe Today ^ | 3/15/16 | Matt Williams

Posted on 03/17/2016 11:37:24 AM PDT by LibWhacker

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To: LibWhacker

Mass Immigration.

Roundup ALL the envio-nazis, tree huggers, flat earthers, and nature worshipers and put the on a all expense paid trip, one way and they can create their version of paradise.


41 posted on 03/17/2016 12:27:52 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: LibWhacker

Why?


42 posted on 03/17/2016 12:28:59 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: VanDeKoik

Not sure why they’ve neglected it here. One article I read recently suggested planetary magnetic fields on terraformed worlds could be artificially generated in the future. Can’t imagine what the electric bill would be for a contraption big enough to do that!


43 posted on 03/17/2016 12:29:14 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: webheart
Mars is 2.2 times as far from the Sun as Earth is. There is some kind of formula for calculating how much energy is going to reach Mars from the Sun compared to how much Earth gets. I think it is something like RMS. Double the distance and you will reduce incipient energy by 1/4. So Mars will get less than 1/4th. Bringing hydrocarbons from Titan is a complete flight of fancy given the even greater distance of 14 astronomical units AU compared to Mars 2.2 and Earth 1.0.

Where did you get your figures? Mars is 1.5 A.U.s from the Sun and thus receives 1/2.25 = 44% as much sunlight per square meter at its surface. Titan is in orbit around Saturn, which is 9.5 A.U.s from the Sun.

Regards,

44 posted on 03/17/2016 12:34:23 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: LibWhacker

On an episode of Star Trek Enterprise they were terraforming Mars by directing comets to impact on Mars. They had already gotten the pressure up by doing that so that pressure suits weren’t needed. See, its that simple. All we have to do is lasso us up some comets.


45 posted on 03/17/2016 12:34:57 PM PDT by Controlling Legal Authority (Author of "Are You Ready to Adopt?")
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To: LibWhacker

I had heard one theory that Ponderosa pine trees were well suited to the conditions on Mars around the edges of the polar ice cap. Having plants that would work would be ideal because you would only need to transplant the seeds on the trip there. From there you can either plant them when you land or grow them into saplings on the ship and plant them when you land.

Not only would Mars slowly get breathable air, but it would also smell like vanilla/butterscotch so I consider that a win/win. Though, since it hasn’t gained much traction, I assume there were some concerns and doubts that drug it to a halt.


46 posted on 03/17/2016 1:02:28 PM PDT by Marko413
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To: Trumpinator

Not nuke it necessarily. Maybe just inject radioactive elements like those that helped keep the earth’s core hot for billions of years (uranium, potassium and thorium, primarily). Need a lot of it, though, and it’d probably have to come from off-planet... So that’d be a big problem... Just thinking out loud...


47 posted on 03/17/2016 1:07:50 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

yes, that is what I meant - not explosion nukes but China Syndrome nuclear material to heat up and melt the core. Then in theory it spins like a dynamo creating a magnetic field.


48 posted on 03/17/2016 1:09:54 PM PDT by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

So Venus may have several Goodyear blimps.


49 posted on 03/17/2016 1:11:00 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: central_va

One reason, either we spread our wings and leave the nest, or we sit around and wait for the extinction level event that will wipe us all out eventually.


50 posted on 03/17/2016 1:16:17 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
I don't know. But a lot of brave men and women will give their lives in the process.


51 posted on 03/17/2016 1:48:36 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: LibWhacker

Just push it into Erffs orbit.


52 posted on 03/17/2016 2:22:01 PM PDT by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: LibWhacker
"Mars’ atmosphere is made up of 96% carbon dioxide, 1.93% argon and 1.89% nitrogen, along with trace amounts of oxygen and water."

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CALLING AL GORE: Since .04% (40 ppm) of our atmosphere is carbon dioxide, which means we're all gonna die(!) from Gorebull Wahruming...

WHY -- with an atmosphere of 96% carbon dioxide -- isn't Mars as hot as Venus?

'-)

53 posted on 03/17/2016 5:18:44 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah: Satan's current alias. "Obama": Allah's current ally...)
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To: VanDeKoik

Newest idea about Ceres is a small rocky core and an ice capped ocean 150 miles deep? Lots of water if true.


54 posted on 03/17/2016 9:23:37 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: SampleMan

Atmospheric density is a better measure of heat trapping of solar input. Water vapor content next most important consideration.


55 posted on 03/17/2016 9:28:19 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: Ozark Tom

So you’re saying my F-150 increases the atmospheric density? ;-)


56 posted on 03/18/2016 4:09:03 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan; Trumpinator; LibWhacker; PGR88; humblegunner; Donglalinger; rktman; VanDeKoik; ...

Before you can terraform mars you have to terraform earth. Its much easier to terraform earth and you gain a lot of know how. To do that however, you first need to kill the cost of energy and desalinated water. Both those barriers will be broken in the next ten years. There are a couple of harbingers of this already. The Israelis for example have become water independent byo water desalination—without the benefit of cheap oil like the gulf states. This is a feat of literally biblical proportions. And it goes mostly unnoticed.

I put together this utube to show how this works over time and in the present.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCo4SKynckE&feature=youtu.be


57 posted on 03/18/2016 7:46:09 AM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: ckilmer

Nice videos ckilmer.


58 posted on 03/18/2016 7:52:21 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: ckilmer

No. It just takes political will and there is no indication, in the US at least, of existing - just the opposite. It will also take in conjunction with the political will a revamped educational system that actually educates. All other manned colonizing expeditions by other countries are basically military in intent, not civilian.

No one is going to go through all the trouble that overly-optimistic vid suggests. The Earth is already terraformed so using that word makes no sense. Increasing the amount of usable fresh water is a separate problem from actually sending people to another planet and having them survive long enough to do anything useful. Terraforming is so far down the list as to be laughable at this point in time - in fact it might be easier to alter human physiology to suit the planet rather than go to the time, expense, trouble to terraform.

Terraforming Venus is just a ridiculous proposition no matter how nice the PowerPoint presentation seems.


59 posted on 03/18/2016 8:05:13 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF

The technology to terraform mars is not available now. That won’t be possible until energy & water costs are 1/10th—or less— of current cheapest energy and (desalinized)water costs. That’s still maybe 50 years off. Nor is it cost effective to grow fruits and vegetables cost effectively in the desert except in green houses and vertical farms...-— today. However, 10 years from now technological changes will drop the cost of electricity by 1/2—which will then make desert farming cost effective.


60 posted on 03/18/2016 9:35:04 AM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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