Posted on 03/01/2016 3:17:55 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past
It's time for We the People to take back control of our government and make it represent us instead of attack us.
-PJ
I'm for that. As such suspending any part of the Constitution exactly what we should NOT be advocating.
Trump wants to be a lion, but he suffers not other lions in his midst. He gets to be the lion. You get to be the sheep. Try disagreeing with him and you will see.
Like they removed Clinton and Obama.Trump will operate within the framework of the constitution.
Clinton had Big Journalism foursquare behind him. No Republican ever will.All the difference in the world.
Let me get this straight.
You are counting on “Big Journalism” to grease the skids against Trump, should he turn out to be too big government?
OK, what if he changes positions again, and reverts to Trump 1.0?
If he is a moron, what does that make Trump for saying, "It's okay to know it's Mussolini…It's a very good quote. It's a very interesting quote. I saw it – I know who said it."
The author is an idiot. The quote is all about the value of courage. Nothing else.
That just makes it all twisted.
THX, all the links on my home page used to work and went right to the text.
All in all Nixon was right to bug the DNC.
No more than the Founders did and no more than Trump does. These are quotes from the Founders of this Nation. Part addresses the fact that Trump claims to be a strong Christian.
The Framers of the Constitution were very wary of power in the hands of men. They believed there was only one Sovereign over our lives: God.
Well, that is my most pressing concern about Trump...I don't think a mere piece of paper will be able to contain his massive ego...
Remember, the Constitution is a document designed to limit the power of government, Trump isn't really used to the idea of his power being limited...
If he doesn’t, congress can remove him from power.
You actually wrote that with a straight face ?
The founders were bombastic about Freedom, Liberty, throwing off the yoke of British rule...
Trump gets bombastic over his brand (him) being sullied...
Has the man ever read the constitution ?
Spoken like a true Trump believer... I think you forgot to call me a loser...
You are just brainwashed by the same group who has controlled who is in office for decades now...
So because I'm not on the Trump train, I'm now brainwashed and controlled....? Talk about a stupid comment...
There is a contingent of conservatives who simply don't think Trump is the right guy...you know not a constitutional conservative...
Lot's of questions on his bona fide....
Here are a large and growing group of us who have been freed from that.
Again because I'm not a Trump supporter I'm somehow enslaved to the GOPe?.... Another stupid comment...
The fact that both parties elites are against Trump is proof of the revolution going on. Trump leads the next generation Tea Party movement.
Time will tell...
Not in the individual. When you say 'office holder' it means their powers IN THAT office - it's the ROLE - not the INDIVIDUAL they wanted to restrain.
The evil is not the power, it's the incorrect use of it, and since man almost always abuses his power in Government, Government was to be limited from granting power.
Your premise is virtually socialist.
It's a great saying by a man who not only didn't understand it but was actually a hyena. C.S. Lewis might also disagree with you.
They were saying it in the context of fighting off the oppression of a monarchy. I think you are twisting it. The threat of abuse of power was in the individuals holding office. They restrained the office in order to restrain the officeholders. That was the whole point. They did not want super powerful elites. They wanted a constitutional republic that belonged to the people, not the officeholder.
The choice for us should not be between powerful and weak. It should be between wise and unwise, constitutional and unconstitutional. There are attributes to consider, but being a devouring lion is not one we should admire or seek.
“In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate, look to his character. The scriptures teach that rulers should be men who rule in the fear of God, able men, men of truth, hating covetousness. It is to the neglect of this rule that we must ascribe the multified frauds, breaches of trust, and embezzlement of public property which tarnish the character of our country and disgrace government. When a citizen gives his vote to a man of known immorality, he abuses his civic responsibility, he sacrifices not only his interest, but that of his neighbor; he betrays the interest of his country.” Noah Webster, 1823
Trump has lots of power, but it's been earned. You can say he's been paid too much or too little ... he has offered his wares in the free marketplace and people have willingly handed them their money.
He's actually the only one up their who's come about his power with the proposition "first I provide value, then you reward me, if you choose to accept what I offer", rather than the other way around. It's persuasive rather than coercive. It's COERCIVE power that the framers sought to stem through limiting the use of the powers of an office.
So there seems to be a notion that he would abuse his power. And yet there is very little evidence in his of life of him abusing it, and then still, he's the only one who doesn't have it granted to him because there are guns backing it up if you don't comply.
We're not going to have a power problem with Trump. His power has been acquired via persuasion and offering a product first, not as a result of promises and then at the point of a gun.
That's why Mussolini didn't understand the quote. He wasn't a lion, he was a mouse with a gun.
Lion's are good, and WHEN they are serving in the government, they should wear a harness to keep them from mankind's tendency to misuse the monopoly on the use of force. Trump will be on a super short leash when elected. If he can't persuade people to voluntarily follow him, he'll throw no executive order hissy fit like Obama, he'll just be ineffective.
Basically, I am saying that you probably have to worry less about Trump than any politician - any of them.
When Trump lashes back at his enemies in order to make it too costly for them to oppose him, I say that is a sign that he is a power abuser.
When Cruz rose in the polls, Trump started attacking. Before that, he was friendly and when asked about Cruz’s citizenship, Trump said he thought it was fine, that there was no problem. After the poll rise, he went nuts on the issue. He has been threatening to sue ever since. I think that is an abuse of power red flag.
I think whomever you attribute the lion quote to, it shows you a man who values his own power too much. Lions devour their enemies. We need a leader who fears God, so that when he takes his oath to protect and defend the Constitution “So help me God,” he is restrained by his own conscience.
Federalist 51 by Alexander Hamilton: http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa51.htm
Ambition must be made to counteract ambition. The interest of the man must be connected with the constitutional rights of the place. It may be a reflection on human nature, that such devices should be necessary to control the abuses of government. But what is government itself, but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions.
It is of great importance in a republic not only to guard the society against the oppression of its rulers, but to guard one part of the society against the injustice of the other part.
An intelligent person takes truth where he finds. I’ll bet if you read a list of Hitler quotes you’d find some you agree with. It doesn’t make the truth less true because of who said it.
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