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Coulter: The case against Cruz as ‘natural-born citizen’
thye Courier of Montgomery County ^ | , January 17, 2016 10:47 pm | Ann CoulterSyndicated Columnist

Posted on 01/20/2016 6:57:04 AM PST by RC one

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To: RC one
Obuma WAS NOT legal to be POTUS, but everyone was so eager to put it's first Black President in office, the Constitution of the United States of America, and everyone’s ‘oath of office’ didn't seem to matter...so look at what we have now:

Obuma is the WORST pResident of American’s history, even beats Jimmy Carter, a Muslim and member of the Muslim Brotherhood, a gay person, and has ruined our Country from the inside out...a three year Senator from Chicago, who is nothing more than a ‘campaign speaker’...

But that didn't matter, people voted for him twice...so now here we are, OUR Country is in the worst shape it's been in for years, I think it's time for the Supreme Court to stand up and declare Obuma as a non-pResident and a fraud and impeach him with the help of the House and Senate, those that do not help, should be impeached from the States they represent and at least let Biden run the country for the remaining months, he couldn't do any worse!!!

41 posted on 01/20/2016 7:34:16 AM PST by HarleyLady27 (.."THE FORCE AWAKENS"!!! TRUMP; TRUMP;TRUMP;TRUMP 100%....)
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To: taxcontrol
Canadian law is based on the same English Common law that the US constitution is based on. Canada is calling a NBC the same exact thing that our founders called it.

Ted Cruz isn't a NBC of Canada because Canada says so, Ted Cruz is a NBC of Canada because he was born in Canada. period.

42 posted on 01/20/2016 7:34:52 AM PST by RC one ("...all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens" US v. WKA)
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To: impimp
The difference is Obama’s mother was too young to confer citizenship. Cruz’s mother was not too young to confer it.

I've seen this argument a few times now. What is the legal authority for this?

43 posted on 01/20/2016 7:38:48 AM PST by PAR35
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To: RC one

Cruz is who I want as the next President.

That said, if we are to use a non-evolving Constitution as a basis, he is not a natural born citizen.

Quite the quandary.


44 posted on 01/20/2016 7:40:36 AM PST by sakic
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To: RC one

Design Your Own Definition of “Natural Born” and Citizenship Requirements

[ ] birth anywhere on earth at any time

[ ] birth on U.S. soil in one of the 50 states
[ ] birth in a U.S. territory of _____, ______, _____, or _____
[ ] birth on a U.S. warship
[ ] birth on a U.S. sea vessel or air vessel or space vessel registered under U.S. flag
[ ] birth at a U.S. embassy or _____ in a foreign land
[ ] birth at a U.S. military facility in a foreign land
[ ] birth in U.S. zone of Panama Canal
[ ] birth in U.S. shared zone of Antartica
[ ] birth on foreign soil while a parent serving in U.S. military in that land

[ ] birth into U.S. slavery prior to 1865 (or whatever the correct emancipation year)
[ ] birth into U.S. Indian tribe prior to year 18__ (insert the correct year)

[ ] mother is a U.S. citizen
[ ] mother is a U.S. citizen, while also a citizen of one or more other nations
[ ] mother is a U.S. citizen, while also a citizen of another nation, where that nation asserts mother can have NO other citizenship claims
[ ] mother is a U.S. citizen, while another nation claims mother as a subject
[ ] mother is a U.S. citizen, while a citizen of no other nation, and with no other nation claiming subject

[ ] mother is not a U.S. citizen
[ ] mother is not a U.S. citizen, but has open, pending, citizenship application
[ ] mother is not a U.S. citizen, but has legally resided on U.S. soil for ____ days/years
[ ] mother is not a U.S. citizen, but has (illegally) resided on U.S. soil for ____ days/years

[ ] father is a U.S. citizen
[ ] father is a U.S. citizen, while...
[ ] father is a U.S. citizen, while...
[ ] father is a U.S. citizen, while...
[ ] father is a U.S. citizen, while...

[ ] father is not a U.S. citizen
[ ] father is not a U.S. citizen, but...
[ ] father is not a U.S. citizen, but...
[ ] father is not a U.S. citizen, but...

Did I miss anything?


45 posted on 01/20/2016 7:41:11 AM PST by mbarker12474
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw

Bunch of crap, Bud. And Ann herself is LYING now, b/c she herself said Ted was eligible, after saying a couple years ago that he had a “problem” with it.
I really think that some conservatives are suicidal. Yeah, go ahead and vote for one of Rotten’s big financial donors over Ted!


46 posted on 01/20/2016 7:43:11 AM PST by alstewartfan (I woke with the frost and noticed she'd lost the veil that covered her eyes. Al Stewart)
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To: sakic

The constitution is not non evolving. It can evolve via the amendment process which is what this issue will require. The quandary is deep and complex. The best solution is to support Trump and avoid the quandary altogether.


47 posted on 01/20/2016 7:43:53 AM PST by RC one ("...all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens" US v. WKA)
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To: mbarker12474

That we are having this dialectic at all is more evidence of the accelerated dumbing down of America. A Natural born citizen is someone born into the allegiance of the sovereign that holds dominion over the child’s birth place.


48 posted on 01/20/2016 7:47:24 AM PST by RC one ("...all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens" US v. WKA)
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To: skeeter

They have no choice but to discredit Cruz’s eligibility since Trump is abysmally vacant on the issues and consistently on the wrong side politically.


49 posted on 01/20/2016 7:47:45 AM PST by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Suz in AZ

Did she renounce her citizenship? No. Ted is American. Simple, unless you choose to muddle it. If the Founders were that STUPID to believe that Ted Cruz’s situation should make him ineligible, then maybe we would be wise to ignore them. Because your position makes no sense whatsoever.


50 posted on 01/20/2016 7:48:42 AM PST by alstewartfan (I woke with the frost and noticed she'd lost the veil that covered her eyes. Al Stewart)
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To: alstewartfan

She was basing her opinion on the Katyal and Clement Harvard law review paper which has been shown to be full of errors. I thought she discussed this in the article.


51 posted on 01/20/2016 7:50:11 AM PST by RC one ("...all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens" US v. WKA)
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To: taxcontrol
-- Canadian law has no effect on US law .. --

Baloney. The citizenship laws of all nations has play in a citizenship determination.

When Cruz was born, Canada had a claim him because he was born in Canada of people who were legal permanent residents of Canada. He is not an NBC of Canada because other countries had recognizable claims on his citizenship.

When Cruz was born, the US had a claim on him by operation of an Act of Congress.

When Cruz was born, Cuba had a claim on him by Cuban law.

The US and Cuban claims stand in the eyes of all countries, with equal validity. It was only acts subsequent to his birth that made Ted more a citizen of the US than a citizen of Cuba. But we don't look to action subsequent to find NBC. We look to the circumstances of birth.

52 posted on 01/20/2016 7:50:33 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: massgopguy

Cruz was naturalized. His citizenship depends on an Act of Congress. Of course there was no naturalization ceremony. Babies lack the reasoning capability to make choices of that nature.


53 posted on 01/20/2016 7:52:13 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: RC one

The supreme law of the US is the US Constitution. Not not English common law, not Canadian law, not any other law, dictionary or other material. Therefore it is irrelevant to the discussion.

So starting with the US Constitution, Article I Section 8 specifically enumerates Congress and only Congress with the power over the rules of naturalization. That includes ALL rules. Who is a citizen, who can become a citizen, who is a citizen at birth (naturally born a citizen).

Congress, through a series of acts starting with the naturalization act of 1790 through to current law, has expressed it’s will under the authority as detailed in Article I Section 8. In addition to the various amendments that impact the law (14th amendment for example), Congress’s authority with regards who is born a citizen and does not need naturalization, is expressed in Title 8 Section 1401.


54 posted on 01/20/2016 7:53:39 AM PST by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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To: Suz in AZ; alstewartfan

so now the argument is “our founders were stupid” and “we would be wise to ignore them”? That sounds like something I would read on democratic underground from someone who probably didn’t manage to graduate from high school and spent their life smoking weed and wearing Che t shirts.


55 posted on 01/20/2016 7:55:25 AM PST by RC one ("...all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens" US v. WKA)
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To: RC one

Bunch of bull. Where in the Founders’ writings does it show that if a Jefferson child, for example, was born on foreign soil, it would make the child ineligible?


56 posted on 01/20/2016 7:56:33 AM PST by alstewartfan (I woke with the frost and noticed she'd lost the veil that covered her eyes. Al Stewart)
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To: PAR35

The naturalization act includes a requirement that citizen parent have resided in the US for five years after the citizen parent reaches the age of 14. Obama’s mother couldn’t have done this before she was 19, and Obama was born when she was 18.


57 posted on 01/20/2016 7:56:53 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Since the US Constitution is the supreme law of the US, please site in the constitution where “The citizenship laws of all nations has play in a citizenship determination.”

Let me give you a hint - you wont find it.

What you will find is Article I Section 8 gives/enumerates EXCLUSIVE authority to Congress to set the rules of naturalization. That includes who is a citizen at birth and does not need naturalization (naturally born a citizen).


58 posted on 01/20/2016 7:57:58 AM PST by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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To: PAR35
If Obama was born abroad, he isn't even a citizen.

If he was born in the US, he is not an NBC, but the argument is completely different from the one associated with Cruz, who is not NBC because he was naturalized at birth by operation of an Act of Congress.

59 posted on 01/20/2016 7:58:33 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: taxcontrol

you are making stuff up. The supreme court recognizes the common law as being the basis to understanding the constitution and the common law says a natural born citizen is someone born into allegiance of a particular sovereign holding dominion over the place of birth. Ted cruz was born into the allegiance of Canada and that makes him a NBC and that’s why the Canadian law defines him as a NBC. I can easily show you a dozen statements pulled out of supreme court opinions that support this reality.


60 posted on 01/20/2016 7:58:57 AM PST by RC one ("...all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens" US v. WKA)
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