Posted on 11/06/2015 6:30:56 AM PST by driftdiver
“All I can say is if our female ‘warriors’ can’t handle single incidents of this nature, they have no effing business in combat arms or special forces, which is the other side of the Pentagon’s putsch for ‘equality’. “
They have no business in the military period if they are this damn sensitive.
I am so glad I retired when we had a Commander-in-Chief instead of a Traitor-in-Chief.
I found overseas the camaraderie was far better. I too saw a change upon returning to the states.
I joined in 1986. At that time it was already bad. They were pushing aggressively women to report men. Many of the guys I knew wouldn’t have anything to do with a military woman for fear she would get pissed off and file charges.
I am curious. I am not trying to pick a fight or anything else...but do you work in an “integrated ‘professional’ office” environment? Because that stuff does not fly where I’ve worked.
If I touched a co-workers shorts and pushed them up to see their tattoo, I would be gone. No questions asked.
If a hostile workplace is complained about in an office environment, everyone in that immediate area is taken into the investigators area and asked if they have seen or heard anything about anyone.
I once got called on “hostile” work environment because I laughed at an inappropriate joke told by two subordinates outside my office. It wasn’t dirty. But it shed the “locals” in a bad light. Since I was newly in charge of the office from another region, I was chastised because I did not get up from what I was doing and discipline these people.
What “flew” years ago, does not fly now.
And I do think the PTSD aspect is a mitigating circumstance. As such, it would mitigate the punishment NOT the guilt. This guy should NOT be put in jail.
It sounds like the guy needs help.
And if he is eventually released, I hope it is on a medical and not other than honorable. He is a talented guy and he has paid his dues. He should be able to live a life without this crap hanging over him.
And...I DID read the entire article.
How many co-workers have you kissed on the head?
In the last 25 years, I hugged one employee when she found out her dad had died and she was hysterical. It was pretty much agreed, she collapsed into my arms.
And if this was in a forward operating area, I would be more understanding. But, at Minot? That’s not exactly the front lines.
If the complaints were made across a unit or office, the investigator would call in everyone: Man, Woman, Tranny...and ask them general questions and allow the people to identify the subject.
They do not call them in and say, “Did Billy grope you?”
“They do not call them in and say, “Did Billy grope you?—
According to the article they did.
If people can't interact short of behaving like nuns at cloister, It's a wonder anything gets done.
No. To answer your question, I work on drilling rigs in the oil patch. While we are no longer permitted due to a new generation of amply thin-skinned people to discuss matters as frankly as we used to, generally comments were limited to avoiding racist statements.
What this crap does, and it is political correctness carried to a ridiculous power, is make any sort of esprit du corps difficult to establish because everyone is walking on eggshells and trying to avoid getting gigged. If you think that improves unit readiness and efficiency, well, maybe you have a better and more learned opinion, but it doesn't match my experience.
You would have a ball in the new PC world!
Can we trade places?
I think the article is a little “over the top”, don’t you think?
That is not how a harassment claim is handled. Anywhere.
Especially by the guy who is heading the jihad.
What this crap does, and it is political correctness carried to a ridiculous power, is make any sort of esprit du corps difficult to establish because everyone is walking on eggshells and trying to avoid getting gigged. If you think that improves unit readiness and efficiency, well, maybe you have a better and more learned opinion, but it doesn’t match my experience.
After a while it really doesn’t. My group was in charge of mergers of large operations for a number of years. Every four months we would take over a smaller company and bring them online.
We traveled together, we ate together, and we had fun together. No, it wasn’t combat. It was multiracial and all sexes and just about every orientation.
We had a lot of fun, we did good work.
After a while you got to know each others’ “lines” that could not be crossed. And, you can give someone a “hard time” without it being sexual. You simply did not talk politics or religion.
AND, when I did come across employees getting “too close” to each other I pretty much told them, “If I could figure out they were sleeping together, everyone else already knows. Stop doing it on the company dime.”
Usually one comment would do it for us.
But, I appreciate your point of view. It is a world that is focused on work. And generally only work. And that part is sad. Because many of these people were wonderful, interesting, and good people.
Are you familiar with the military system?
I saw other guys go through similar investigations although it wasn’t for 130 years in prison.
This pc claptrap in the services started long before 0bama...but one didn't face 130 years in prison either.
The officer corps has become infested with pc types raised on a generation of it and this is all they know.
There is a lot of angst going on in the USAF right now because of things like this...overzealous officers looking to make examples of any who even come close to breaching good order and discipline in order that they might be viewed as good apparatchiks.
Like you said, the focus was on work, getting the job done 24/7/365, because that is the way the oil patch runs when it is running.
Maybe that is why we didn't have many problems, we just didn't have time for trivial crap.
I don't know that I'd last long in your world. I'd probably commit some faux pas that would send someone spiraling off into a hissy fit, without ever intending offense.
Let's face it, If someone intends to offend someone in the oil patch, there generally isn't any question. I'm just from a place where skins are thicker and anyone out of line is just met with a snappy comeback instead of running of to HR.
I worked in an environment of about 90% women.
I never had anyone accuse me of anything sexual, but God forbid some woman came into my office and shut the door. If it happened more than once or twice, the gossip mill would run overtime.
I WISH I was getting as much as some of those idiots thought I was.
In the middle of the day.
In my office.
Yeah....
It was never anyone involved in an incident that ran to HR. It was always someone on the fringe. That was the worst part.
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