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Pope Francis, "Jesus dying on the cross was a failure" [Revelation 13]
9/25/2015
| Jan Sobieski
Posted on 09/26/2015 11:31:49 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
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To: Jan_Sobieski
we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross.
Can you please point to a link to that quote??...If this Pope really said this...its beyond shocking...it the Pope making a denouncement of Christ as Savior and denying resurrection...true sign of the end time clock running
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posted on
09/26/2015 2:00:18 PM PDT
by
tophat9000
(King G(OP)eorge III has no idea why the Americans Patriots are in rebellion... teach him why)
To: right way right
...and what they hear this beloved Pope say is that Jesus failed and died on the cross. This is very unfortunate.
More than that; deadly.
To: Jan_Sobieski
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posted on
09/26/2015 2:04:55 PM PDT
by
Jane Long
("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
To: LostInBayport
I started out with my family as Catholic until we moved south and could not find a Catholic Church in our part of Texas that had services in English. We tried an evangelical Church on a whim and started to read the Bible. We realized that the Bible says Jesus does not have to die daily on the cross...
Romans 6: 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
We decided to stay with the Bible based churches and have never looked back.
To: tophat9000
Here is a transcript of the entire sermon...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/read-pope-francis-yorks-st-patricks-cathedral/story?id=34023376
To: tophat9000
http://abcnews.go.com/US/read-pope-francis-yorks-st-patricks-cathedral/story?id=34023376
quoting:
We can get caught up in measuring the value of our apostolic works by the standards of efficiency, good management and outward success, which govern the business world.
Not that these things are unimportant, of course. But we have been entrusted with a great responsibility, and this is why god’s people rightly expect accountability from us but the true worth of our apostolate is measured by the value it has in god’s eyes, to see and evaluate things from god’s perspective, calls for constant conversion in the first days and years of our vocation and, need I say, it demands great humility.
The cross shows us a different way of measuring success. Ours is to plant the seeds. God sees to the fruits of our labors. And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and not produce fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross.
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posted on
09/26/2015 2:10:12 PM PDT
by
marron
To: Jan_Sobieski
Humanly speaking, Jesus death on the cross is the only lasting victory that humans can ever know. In the light of his resurrection, I would agree.
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posted on
09/26/2015 2:12:05 PM PDT
by
marron
To: Jan_Sobieski
I started out with my family as Catholic until we moved south and could not find a Catholic Church in our part of Texas that had services in English.
Here's where my oldest son would quote his favorite Bible verse, which he gets to use on me all too often...
Romans 8:28
"...ALL things..."
To: Bulwyf; kalee; Rusty0604; caww
Thanks so much to all of you for your kind words and sharing my joy in my daughter 'getting her mind right', she was not dating anyone of the Muslim persuasion at the time, which made her temporary adherence to Islam even more unexpected, her involvement with Islam spanned only about a 3 month period but I believe the Lord allowed her to get a real good look at the way that Islam treats women (as chattel and property), and she began to see the 'not-so-pleasant' side of that cult.
I believe that what triggered her sudden interest was a sympathetic reaction to those Muslim students who were killed in North Carolina over a parking space (of all things), she wasn't far from that area and joined in a so-called 'interfaith community prayer function' which was nothing more than Muslims looking to recruit those who are emotionally vulnerable and easily swayed.
My daughter fortunately had already studied enough ancient civilizations to have a working knowledge of their flawed practices, and between the prayers that were offered up in her behalf, combined with her logic eventually prevailing over her own emotions, I had faith that Islam's grip on her would only be temporary.
It was a painful experience, in which I had to say with all sincerity (and I did) "Lord? You know how much I love my daughter, but if it comes down to being 'tolerant' of her embracing Islam, which would be an insult to Your Name, I choose You, the King of kings and Lord of lords"
If it were not for Jesus, I would not exist, I would have no reason to exist, life would be meaningless.
And I still have a long way to go, however I try to do what I heard a good friend say years ago which is "each day, I try to do my best, and trust Jesus for the rest".
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posted on
09/26/2015 2:17:51 PM PDT
by
mkjessup
(If you really support Ted Cruz, don't be trashing Trump, Cruz doesn't, why should you?)
To: smartyaz
To some extent this picture is correct. Indeed, Christ was murdered on The Hammer and Sickle about 140,000,000 Times...
To: Resettozero; Bulwyf
Praise God your daughter came back to Christ. The power of prayer is amazing. I cant say how happy I am for her and you that she is back in the fold.
Yes to all in your post.
Remember, though, the power is not in the prayer; it's in the One to Whom we pray.
Oh absolutely right FRiend, there is only One Name that is worthy of praise, that One Name above all other names, only One Name by which we are directed to pray, and that is in the Name of Jesus!.
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posted on
09/26/2015 2:22:29 PM PDT
by
mkjessup
(If you really support Ted Cruz, don't be trashing Trump, Cruz doesn't, why should you?)
To: Jan_Sobieski
Thank you for those thought-provoking passages. I have been thinking for some time now about making a change. It is difficult because my family has worshiped at the same Catholic church for four generations, but I have found a lot of value in books I’ve read from Baptist preachers.
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posted on
09/26/2015 2:26:12 PM PDT
by
LostInBayport
(When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
To: LostInBayport
To: DoughtyOne
1. Low in the grave he lay, Jesus my Savior,
waiting the coming day, Jesus my Lord!
Refrain:
Up from the grave he arose;
with a mighty triumph o’er his foes;
he arose a victor from the dark domain,
and he lives forever, with his saints to reign.
He arose! He arose! Hallelujah! Christ arose!
2. Vainly they watch his bed, Jesus my Savior,
vainly they seal the dead, Jesus my Lord!
(Refrain)
3. Death cannot keep its prey, Jesus my Savior;
he tore the bars away, Jesus my Lord!
(Refrain)
One thing at least that all Christians agree upon, and here this (so called) vicar of Christ says it ain’t so?
We’re hurting under his soul mate Obama, and all this dude does is tell us we suck and everything we believe is wrong.
He can’t be gone soon enough. Screw him and the donkey he rode in on.
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posted on
09/26/2015 2:36:16 PM PDT
by
tumblindice
(America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
To: P-Marlowe
I'd like to hear how you can justify that statement The pope's statement is correct up to a point, but it is grotesquely incomplete. I'm sure the disciples thought the whole thing a failure up until the resurrection. I haven't read the transcript, but if he didn't follow-up quickly with the resurrection, then he is incompetent as a Christian leader at best and an out-and-out blasphemer at worst. Without the resurrection there would be no Christians.
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posted on
09/26/2015 2:37:21 PM PDT
by
tbpiper
To: P-Marlowe
It is NOT “blasphemy” to suggest that from a human perspective that the crucifixion appeared to be a failure.
No matter how much you hate the Pope, you can not believe that he believes Christ died in vain.
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posted on
09/26/2015 2:38:27 PM PDT
by
G Larry
(Vote Hillary! Pro-Abortion Socialist)
To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; Jan_Sobieski
I disagree that it is a good address Its one of his better ones because it is relatively brief and to the point.
Most of them are a lot of blah-blah-blah and my eyes roll up in my head before I get very far.
He is not a good pope; he does not know how to distinguish politics from the gospel.
He sees himself as the head of an institution, which I suppose he is, and talks like it rather than speaking like an evangelist.
Nothing he will ever have to say about Global Warming will be worth ten cents. My message to him would be the same message I'd give to anyone, catholic or non-catholic alike: Preach Christ and let the chips fall. Preach Christ. Whatever the subject matter of the day, immigration, global warming, muslim invasions, whatever it is, preach Christ.
Like I have said, a guy who has walked with God his entire adult life should be more clear on the concept than what he seems to be. He was probably a good neighborhood priest. He would probably be a pleasant guy to chat with over coffee. He should not be pope.
He would not last ten minutes as a street preacher. He just isn't that clear on the concept.
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posted on
09/26/2015 2:39:55 PM PDT
by
marron
To: mkjessup
To: Rusty0604
You as well FRiend & Brother, the Lord be with you.
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posted on
09/26/2015 2:45:02 PM PDT
by
mkjessup
(If you really support Ted Cruz, don't be trashing Trump, Cruz doesn't, why should you?)
To: G Larry
No matter how much you hate the Pope, you can not believe that he believes Christ died in vain. This Pope? I don't believe that this Pope believes in God. He believes in government.
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posted on
09/26/2015 2:49:13 PM PDT
by
P-Marlowe
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