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The Great Trumpian Divide
National Review ^ | September 11, 2015 | JONAH GOLDBERG

Posted on 09/11/2015 6:39:55 PM PDT by Steelfish

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To: central_va

Pipe dreams don’t make for sensible argument or rebuttal.


81 posted on 09/12/2015 9:44:45 AM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Ge0ffrey

Trump wrote a book back in 2011 that said pretty much everything he saying today.

He just updated it and it has been Published.

Can’t think of the Title right now but I hear it’s a good read.


82 posted on 09/12/2015 9:54:23 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (With Friends like the GOPe, who needs Democrats?)
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To: Alas Babylon!

“Jonah takes the lame and rebuts them, but ignores the good and better arguments.”

Totally true. I was going to reply to Jonah but then I decided he wasn’t being serious. He says he wants a debate with his readers, but it’s just cat and mouse games.


83 posted on 09/12/2015 11:05:16 AM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: Ge0ffrey

What part of “I DO NOT SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP” do you not understand? Quit being a putz.


84 posted on 09/12/2015 3:03:01 PM PDT by peyton randolph (I am not a number. I am a free man.)
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To: peyton randolph

There you go again, using liberal methods on those you disagree with.


85 posted on 09/12/2015 3:40:47 PM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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To: samtheman

I think the MSM will crucify him just like they always do on any GOP candidate. Our choice is determined by the MSM, not us. Sad, but true.


86 posted on 09/12/2015 4:06:17 PM PDT by econjack (I'm not bossy...I just know what you should be doing.)
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To: Ge0ffrey
Why you’re nothing but a liberal in disguise! That’s exactly the liberal way of going after a conservative opponent!

By telling you to read a book before shooting off at the mouth? Hardly.

So let's review:
You've made many claims about Trump.
*All* of those claims are proven wrong by reading his book.
Since you didn't know that prior to making your claims, said claims can not be made from "knowledge."
The only alternative to "knowledge" for making claims is "feelings."
Liberals are notorious for using "feelings" interfere with "thinking."

So who's the liberal here?

87 posted on 09/12/2015 4:10:43 PM PDT by papertyger (Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui neat. / Proof lies on him who asserts, not on him who denies)
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To: papertyger

Classic selective cut and paste.

Here’s what you said:

Yours is the ranting of a latter-day Archie Bunker. Nevertheless, I’m sure you’re more comfortable with an ignorant-and-proud-of-it demeanor than you would be with actually educating yourself on Trump’s positions to understand why so many FReepers disagree with you.

Here’s what I said:

YOU’RE calling ME an Archie Bunker. Why you’re nothing but a liberal in disguise! That’s exactly the liberal way of going after a conservative opponent! I guess that would make you Meathead!

Which facts are you disputing? His opportunistic changing of parties? His campaign contributions to Democrats? His 100% wholehearted support of Kelo? His use of eminent domain to try to take a woman’s property in Atlantic City? His support of partial birth abortion (which he opportunistically changed) to his support of abortion (which he opportunistically changed)? His flip flop on Planned Parenthood? His use of liberal talking points to criticize Walker, Jindal and Carson?

Trump is a butch Mayor Bloomberg; he’s Jeb Bush on steroids.


88 posted on 09/12/2015 5:42:25 PM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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To: Ge0ffrey
Which facts are you disputing?

This one.

Why don’t you name just one conservative position that Trump held a year ago that he holds today? You’ll have a hard time doing it because two years ago he was liberal democrat.

Aside from you trying to stack the deck by inserting "opportunistically" in every other assertion, the fact you cherry pick issues that prove he's not a "movement" conservative says nothing about him being "conservative enough."

That it's never occurred to you that you'll never get a "movement conservative" AND "the consent of the governed" shows you're the perfect sheep for the shepherds who have lead us to where we are now: irrelevant ideologues.

89 posted on 09/12/2015 6:05:22 PM PDT by papertyger (Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui neat. / Proof lies on him who asserts, not on him who denies)
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To: papertyger

Nothing is more foundationally important in the USA than the right to life and the right to own property.


90 posted on 09/12/2015 6:25:17 PM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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To: Ge0ffrey
Nothing is more foundationally important in the USA than the right to life and the right to own property.

WRONG! The defining characteristic of the Great Experiment is self-governance. Everything else is "details." What we have now is clearly governing against the will of the people.

Voting for Trump is the ONLY vote against some formulation of the status quo. Even the other "outsiders" lack his ability to take on the fourth estate, and are thus to some measure dependent on the status quo.

If there is any hope of remaking out republic without tearing it down first, Trump is it.

91 posted on 09/12/2015 7:18:18 PM PDT by papertyger (Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui neat. / Proof lies on him who asserts, not on him who denies)
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To: Steelfish

Get over yourself Jonah.


92 posted on 09/13/2015 10:15:38 AM PDT by proust
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To: Steelfish

Oh, another Trump bashing article by that twerp Jonah Goldberg? Nah, thanks, I’ll pass.


93 posted on 09/13/2015 10:17:15 AM PDT by uncitizen (i hate gutless people, too.)
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To: uncitizen

People like Jonah will never understand that it is not because we dislike them.....we despise them.


94 posted on 09/13/2015 10:20:41 AM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

Yes! These people are journalists. Their job is to be in tune to public opinion and upcoming or ongoing movements. Yet these guys are so removed from that - Happily ensconced in their ivory towers looking down on us.

IMO Jonah is the biggest disappointment of all of them because he still seems (or did seem) to represent youth/vigor/the future. But now he’s just in a lump with old establishment guys like Krauthammer and Will.


95 posted on 09/13/2015 11:03:27 AM PDT by uncitizen (i hate gutless people, too.)
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To: Taliesan; Ge0ffrey
Sad, but actually fascinating at the level of pure intellectual curiosity. I do enjoy (it’s a sort of hobby) sociological crowd-watching. When I can’t make it to the mall to watch teenage girls shriek over a 15 year old kid with no observable qualities, I can now just come to a freeper show and collect the shrieks of the freepers as they swoon over another bad boy who - what? - offended daddy? Is that what you wanted all these years? Someone to finally say rude things to daddy that you couldn’t say yourself? Wow. Those of us who’ve retained our reason and can’t identify one good quality in the strutting blowhard are just....fascinated.

BRAVO!! PRECISELY RIGHT.

96 posted on 09/13/2015 11:41:27 AM PDT by roamer_1
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To: Taliesan

You will never dance with any idiot. You are a loser. Your post is truly the most ignorant piece of garbage I have ever read.

So which loser are you for? and when that loser loses, what are we to get from it? Huh?

Oh man, you are a true conservative purist. Losin’ is so good because you feel all high and mighty and you are better than those who want to save the country.


97 posted on 09/13/2015 2:21:43 PM PDT by dforest
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To: papertyger

Excellent post. Really a good post!


98 posted on 09/13/2015 2:23:30 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Steelfish

bkmk


99 posted on 09/13/2015 9:31:01 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: Ge0ffrey

“My background is blue collar so please save your breath about me being some kind of elitist.”


Anyone can be an elitist. It’s a mindset. Ithas nothing to do with income or what kind of career someone has.


100 posted on 09/18/2015 9:59:53 PM PDT by mbrfl (fightingmad)
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