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Ted Cruz Channels Paul Ryan: ‘A Lot of Misinformation’ on Obamatrade That ‘You Can Get on the...net’
Breitbart ^ | 11 Jun 2015 | Matthew Boyle

Posted on 06/14/2015 12:28:21 AM PDT by familyop

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To: CatherineofAragon

By the way, it’s only June, 2015—a year and a half before someone else can take presidential office. There’s no telling what we’ll see between now and then.

Disaster entertainment, end-of-the-world talk and bragging about surviving global disaster fantasies have been popular. What might we see in reality?

* Droughts continuing and having more effect? Imagine a completely arid desert between Missouri and California.

* Floods in the Midwest and east, eventually turning those areas into jungles? Monkeys in the trees? A banana industry?

* More earthquakes at greater magnitudes? The earth opening up to accept political oligarchs and closing on them?

* Volcanic eruptions from mountains long believed to be inactive?

* World war with nuclear exchanges?

* An interesting meteor strike, say, from a rock about a mile wide?

* A second moon? [Heh.]

* More interesting temperature trends? [Minus 60s, Fahrenheit, 130 above?]

* Bond collapse, skyrocketing interest rates, general collapse of markets, repudiations of debts? A return to the Stone Age?

Our next president might have a club and a wife with a hard head.

;-)


181 posted on 06/14/2015 3:21:16 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

Go to your listed “Obamatrade.com” website. It says:

“Congress has to pass it to find out what’s in it.”.

Then, it says, “The House of Representatives will vote on Obamatrade – again! – on Tuesday.”

So, either your website guy thinks the TPA is not publicly available (it is, but the TPP is not), or he think the TPP was voted on and is specifically being voted on again on Tuesday (it’s not—ibut the TPA is).

What do you say in your defense, now?


182 posted on 06/14/2015 3:34:16 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: ConservativeMind

ObamaTrade = TPA and TPP, T-TIP and/or TiSA.

TPP wouldn’t happen without the TPA fast track for Obama’s trade deals. TPA wouldn’t exist without agreements like the TPP. Without the TPP, T-TIP and/or TiSA, there’s no ObamaTrade. Without the TPA to speed passage of the other agreements, there’s no ObamaTrade.

Cato Institute advances myth about Pacific Rim Trade Agreement
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3299512/posts


183 posted on 06/14/2015 3:44:25 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop
Anyone who tells us that the TPA is separate from the TPP, T-TIP and TiSA is either being dishonest or ignorant.

Well, every separate bill before Congress is a separate bill, period. I don't get how that comment, which is explicitly what those separate bills would be, could be a lie.

Perhaps you need to attend a basic Civics class. I think fourth graders could grasp this concept.

184 posted on 06/14/2015 3:44:36 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: familyop

Look, I used your own reference to knock your argumentto the ground.

Enjoy eating the mud down there.

You lie.


185 posted on 06/14/2015 3:46:02 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: philman_36
Color me difficult. I do not understand these two trade bills. My first instinct is to not give obama anything he wants. Wrong?
186 posted on 06/14/2015 3:47:06 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: ConservativeMind
"Well, every separate bill before Congress is a separate bill, period."

That red herring is getting tired.

Let's stay with the relevant topic at hand: that of the intent to use the TPA to "fast track" the secret TPP, T-TIP and TiSA parts of the same package through Congress.

ObamaTrade = TPA and TPP, T-TIP and/or TiSA.

TPP wouldn’t happen without the TPA fast track for Obama’s trade deals. TPA wouldn’t exist without agreements like the TPP. Without the TPP, T-TIP and/or TiSA, there’s no ObamaTrade. Without the TPA to speed passage of the other agreements, there’s no ObamaTrade.

Constitutional problems with the TPA-TPP package:

Cato Institute advances myth about Pacific Rim Trade Agreement
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3299512/posts


187 posted on 06/14/2015 3:55:19 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Then is he really that craven?

I'm not even going to try to guess the man's reasons or motivations.
I'm going to eat popcorn, watch, listen and see what the future brings.

188 posted on 06/14/2015 4:27:05 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: ConservativeMind

You’ve been repeating a red herring, a straw man, argumentum ad nauseam (repetitions of fallacies) and other more crude fallacies (ad hominem, etc.).

The TPA is only one cause of the problem: ObamaTrade. The ObamaTrade problem includes the causes (e.g., TPP) that are kept secret.


189 posted on 06/14/2015 4:42:37 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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All:

We’ve seen many ad hominem, argumentum ad populum, straw man, faulty generalization and other fallacies from the same clique long before several elections. What kind of reader would be drawn to that kind of speech?

Do the chosen candidates behind the insulting bandwagons have real records of actually making or voting for deep cuts in spending on public school teacher salaries, police salaries and salaries of other government employees?

Have those candidates cut spending on state and local regulatory offices? Have they radically cut federal spending to state and local governments?

Is the candidate a lawyer? Does the candidate have any close relatives who are dependent on government debt/revenues for a big salary or big pension?


190 posted on 06/14/2015 4:51:19 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Irish Eyes
You're not difficult, you're trying to understand. Read this other reply of mine. It's on this thread as well earlier on.

In short, and very roughly...TPA authorizes the upcoming trade deals in an expedited manner at the executive level (POTUS-executive agreement) instead of going through the treaty process (as it should IMO).

The potential trade deals themselves are the TPP, the T-TIP, the TISA and the EGA as well as some other things. As I said, read the other reply to help yourself understand.

Each of these trade deals is negotiated in private, though public commentary is often sought. Oftentimes that public commentary is from special interest groups, not individual citizens.

Trade negotiations need more public input February 19, 2014
This week, the President has sent U.S. Trade Representative Michael Froman out to convince the public that trade deals are good for everyone, not only for special interests. Why? Congressional leaders, including Senator Harry Reid (NV) and Representative Nancy Pelosi (CA), are blocking the President's request for "fast-track" trade authority. Perhaps more importantly, public interest opposition to the close-to-final proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is heating up as new questions about its impact on U.S. health and safety regulations for consumers and workers are raised. Meanwhile, the administration has just begun negotiations with the European Union on a proposed TransAtlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) that it considers just as important.

See what was happening while you were busy living your life.

191 posted on 06/14/2015 4:51:32 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: familyop

I’m a woman who likes men, so Trump’s gender has nothing to do with the fact that I can’t stand his arrogance.

IMO he’s doing this for the attention. His vanity and ego are getting a huge boost, and he gets to take center stage and bloviate even more than usual.

More importantly, Trump is a liberal. He’ll tell an audience whatever they want to hear, but he once told Larry King he self-identified as a Democrat.

He said that we must have universal health care.

He supports raising taxes on the rich.

In one interview, he called for the impeachment of George W. Bush and said Obama would go down as a great president.

He doesn’t respect private property rights, and has tried to get the government to use eminent domain for his own aims. One of those times, he tried to evict an elderly woman from her home so he could build a parking lot.

Though he says he’s now pro-life, he has in the past stated that he is pro-choice, and in fact still contributes money to leftwing candidates who are 100% pro-abortion.

I don’t trust him, and in fact I think he’s a clown. But he knows there will always be a certain number of people who’ll fall for his schtick, so he will probably amuse himself with a vanity run until it’s time to drop out.


192 posted on 06/14/2015 4:56:42 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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To: Irish Eyes
My first instinct is to not give obama anything he wants. Wrong?

You're not wrong in my book. You should not give Congress anything either on this subject as NAFTA well illustrates.

Despite the rest of the article, CATO says it best in just one sentence...

For the United States, NAFTA was more about foreign policy than about the domestic economy.

All of these deals are the same thing. The domestic economy is an afterthought.

193 posted on 06/14/2015 5:01:38 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Carry_Okie

On “dumb” and “craven,” is the politician really a politician to such extent? Well, if there’s an insulting, dishonest bandwagon in front of a politician, like most other voters, I’ll judge him or her by that bandwagon. People who campaign with such methods are either

* Trying to impede a politician they pretend to promote

* Or are impulsive and evil to the bone

* Or they might live best in a guided group setting.


194 posted on 06/14/2015 5:04:47 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: virgil
No good will come of it, not for the plebes, anyway.

See 193.

195 posted on 06/14/2015 5:07:42 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Thanks for your perceptions on Trump. I’ve avoided television, most information from celebrity publications and most information about him for a long time. We might be seeing a slow motion waffle in his positions on morality (pretenses on his part). I also find it difficult to believe that a New Yorker would want to really implement fair trade for the U.S.A., unless he has some very influential, special trade interest rivals in or near New York and no self-interest of his own in favor of cheap labor or imports.


196 posted on 06/14/2015 5:17:45 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: philman_36

Thank you for the information and links.

Irish :)


197 posted on 06/14/2015 5:22:09 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Irish Eyes
Thank you for the information and links.

I hope it helps.

198 posted on 06/14/2015 5:24:20 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Excellent explanation of the TPA and associated trade deals in comment #142 and comment #191. Thanks!


199 posted on 06/14/2015 5:24:43 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop
On “dumb” and “craven,” is the politician really a politician to such extent?

Hell if I know. I haven't selected a candidate to back yet. Constitutionally, Cruz argument is specious for reasons I explained here.

As to the rest of your slander my reply is from Psalm 101:5.

200 posted on 06/14/2015 5:29:33 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by government regulation.)
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