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Yelling Fire in a Crowded Theater Metaphor vs Texas Cartoon
The Atlantic ^ | November 2, 2012 | Trevor Timm

Posted on 05/09/2015 10:28:39 AM PDT by SERKIT

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To: Savage Beast

Mr. Goldberg just doesn’t quite get it.


21 posted on 05/09/2015 11:34:54 AM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: jmacusa

I’m glad to see someone got it right.


22 posted on 05/09/2015 11:37:29 AM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: Enterprise

And it was an 8-0 decision

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio


23 posted on 05/09/2015 11:39:51 AM PDT by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: UnwashedPeasant

A couple of days ago the man who impersonates Pope Francis on the Imus show pointed out that you can’t cry “Movie!” in a crowded fire house.


24 posted on 05/09/2015 11:41:03 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: UnwashedPeasant

A couple of days ago the man who impersonates Pope Francis on the Imus show pointed out that you can’t cry “Movie!” in a crowded fire house.


25 posted on 05/09/2015 11:41:04 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SERKIT

Crowded theaters. No actual fire, but lots of yelling about it. No problem.

26 posted on 05/09/2015 12:35:29 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Hillary:polarizing/calculating/disingenuous/insincere/ambitious/inevitable/entitled/overconfident/se)
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To: SERKIT

Here’s the difference. When someone yells fire in a crowded theatre, it is reasonable to get up and run for the exits. But when someone draws a provocative cartoon, it is not reasonable to commit mass murder. Thus in the first case the yeller is at fault while in the second case the murderer is at fault, not the cartoonist.

The notion that we have to just accept violent reactions from Muslims as a given, like pulling on a tiger’s tail, is a total crock and puts the blame in the wrong place. Actually, what it reminds me of is how the left sees certain types of criminal behavior as the inevitable fruits of our “unjust society”. They’ll excuse the criminal and blame society instead.

This is basically the position they’ve taken towards free speech and Muslims: as historical victims of persecution by the Christian West, some Muslims may be expected to have violent reactions to our provocative speech. Thus in the cosmic sense we are at fault and must curtail our speech as a result.


27 posted on 05/09/2015 1:24:55 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: jmacusa

No. Goldberg gets it quite well. In fact, he hit a bullseye with that remark.


28 posted on 05/09/2015 2:10:42 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("Inside every 'Liberal' is a totalitarian screaming to get out!")
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To: SERKIT
Yelling Fire in a Crowded Theater Metaphor vs Texas Cartoon

The Constitution did not grant your right, the Constitution protects your rights from government interference.

However, there are consequences in law for all irresponsible use of any right.

The Constitution allows Americans to do any damn thing they wish, as long as the consequences of their actions harm neither the person or property of another.

29 posted on 05/09/2015 2:14:53 PM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: Crim
"Conversely...what are you supposed to yell when the theater is actually on fire?

Uh no...you yell FIRE and get everyone out."

Tom Smothers: I fell in a vat of chocolate. I fell in a vat of chocolate...

Dick Smothers: What did you do when you fell into the chocolate"

Both: Lolly-do-dum-lolly-do-dum-day.

Tom: I just yelled "FIRE!" when I fell into the chocolate. I yelled "FIRE!" when I fell into the chocolate ...

Dick: Why'd you yell "FIRE!" when you fell into the chocolate?

Both: Lolly-do-dum-lolly-do-dum-day.

Tom: Well, I just yelled "FIRE!" when I fell ito the chocolate. I just yelled "FIRE!" when I fell into the chocolate ...

Dick [exasperated]: Tom, why'd you yell "FIRE!" when you fell into the chocolate?

Tom: I yelled "FIRE!" because no one would save me if I yelled "CHOCOLATE!"

Both: Lolly-do-dum-lolly-do-dum-daay...

30 posted on 05/09/2015 2:34:14 PM PDT by BlueLancer (Pachelbel --- The original one-hit wonder.)
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To: Savage Beast

Respectfully I still disagree. If ‘’but’’ comes after the right to free speech then there is no such thing as free speech.


31 posted on 05/09/2015 3:13:08 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: SERKIT

Falsely shouting fire in a crowded theatre, dismisses any responsibility that the ausience may have in determining if haste is needed. Is there smoke? Is there fire? Is the man shouting an idiot? No one need worry when sizing up one’s immediate situation is done with logic and reason


32 posted on 05/09/2015 4:27:23 PM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: SERKIT
"Yelling Fire in a Crowded Theater Metaphor vs Texas Cartoon"

How often to theater patrons get trampled when the film short shown prior to the main feature is a cartoon?
33 posted on 05/09/2015 5:19:13 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: marsh2
Bears repeating:

Islam is not only a “religion.” It is a legal and social system. Many of its doctrines and laws are wholly incompatible with inalienable rights and freedoms guaranteed to the citizens of the United States. The the threat of violence and intimidation is clearly being used here to suppress individual rights of U.S. citizens. This is called terrorism.

34 posted on 05/09/2015 5:52:07 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: Savage Beast

Exactly! Our theater (a.k.a. our country) is on fire.


35 posted on 05/09/2015 9:05:58 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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