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I hate Ayn Rand — but here's why my fellow conservatives love her
The Week ^ | 1/23/2015 | Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry

Posted on 01/21/2015 4:06:39 PM PST by iowamark

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To: JudyinCanada

I like that. There can be no real freedom apart from Christ.
That’s why I often (when asked) say I’m a pro life, pro natural marriage (l)ibertarian.
I usually add that my vote typically goes to the Republican, and NEVER the donkey.


21 posted on 01/21/2015 4:32:59 PM PST by Clump (I'd rather die with my boots on than live wearing a pair of knee pads.)
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To: BillyBoy
"Tea Party" types) seem to think Libertarian beliefs are interchangeable with conservative beliefs.

They are not. Libertarians beliefs all devolve to "everyone smoke dope."

22 posted on 01/21/2015 4:33:10 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: iowamark; Publius
There's a good deal about Rand and Atlas Shrugged in particular that isn't obvious even on a first reading. Shameless self-promotion time: Who Is John Galt? by Publius and some other guy.

The novel is, in certain places, painfully awkward and in other places, sublime. The philosophy is, from many viewpoints, hopelessly derivative and in others, strikingly original. Neither is perfect; both are worthy of serious consideration.

23 posted on 01/21/2015 4:34:27 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: M Kehoe

That Rand made some accurate predictions of the future is not a very good defense of her philosophy, is it?

If it is, then by the same standard, Orwell’s socialism is vindicated.


24 posted on 01/21/2015 4:36:42 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Billthedrill

“The novel is, in certain places, painfully awkward...”

Too bad one of those places is the first few chapters, at least for me. I could never manage to slog through it, despite multiple attempts.


25 posted on 01/21/2015 4:38:33 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: gorush
Ayn wouldn’t care that the author didn’t like her and it wouldn’t affect her opinion of him in the least.

Howard Roarke said it...

26 posted on 01/21/2015 4:41:55 PM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: Boogieman
Good evening.

That Rand made some accurate predictions of the future is not a very good defense of her philosophy, is it?

I'm not trying to defend either Rand or Orwell with my post.

All I'm doing is pointing out accurate predictions.

Ayn's atheism, or the predilections of her and Orwell are not my concern.

5.56mm

27 posted on 01/21/2015 4:42:33 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: iowamark

We don’t live in a democracy. The founding fathers detested democracy and equated it with mob rule.


28 posted on 01/21/2015 4:43:53 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: Brother Cracker

I used to like to like Ayn Rand...but now that I’ve seen that hat...


29 posted on 01/21/2015 4:44:37 PM PST by Lee'sGhost ("Just look at the flowers, Lizzie. Just look at the flowers.")
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To: iowamark
Rand was a mediocre writer with a stilted worldview, a bankrupt philosophy, and one good idea.

But her one good idea is good enough to earn her a place at the table. So we separate Rand's wheat from the chaff, so to speak, and move on.

30 posted on 01/21/2015 4:46:35 PM PST by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: Diogenesis

Ayn Rand was a giant.

Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry is a gnat.


31 posted on 01/21/2015 4:46:55 PM PST by samtheman
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To: free_life

Where did Jesus say something like “use confiscatory taxes and fees to take from those who labor & create and give it to those who will not” or anything along those lines?


32 posted on 01/21/2015 4:47:06 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: BillyBoy

“We need to stop pretending a libertarian philosophy makes someone a Reagan Republican.”

It doesn’t, but we do have some common ground in the area of classical liberalism (or “little l” libertarianism as some call it) that provides a foundation for both philosophies.

Once you go beyond that common ground, we are pretty far apart on everything else.


33 posted on 01/21/2015 4:47:26 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: chajin

I knew the scene you were linking to before I even clicked on it. Indeed.


34 posted on 01/21/2015 4:47:26 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Modern country music :)


35 posted on 01/21/2015 4:48:56 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: iowamark

If atheist Ann Rand libertarian types were to gain the upper hand, we’ll have limited government and free markets, in a Sodomite supreme court and immoral Christ-less country...appointed by Ann Rand libertarians.

I shudder to think what kind of supreme court justices someone like (Ann) Rand Paul would appoint.

When a country surrenders the moral high ground they’ve lost it all.


36 posted on 01/21/2015 4:49:45 PM PST by sasportas
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To: Lee'sGhost


37 posted on 01/21/2015 4:54:47 PM PST by Brother Cracker (You are more likely to find krugerrands in a Cracker Jack box than 22 ammo at Wal-Mart)
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To: grumpa

I can see how people might be tempted to try to make Christianity out to be compatible with Libertarianism. After all, we have the concept of “Christian liberty”, which can be a bit tricky for some to grasp, and, if misunderstood, can seem close to Libertarianism.

If we sum up Libertarianism in one sentence, we might get:

“As long as it doesn’t hurt others, it should be lawful.”

While Paul summed up “Christian liberty” as:

“All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not” 1 Cor. 10:23

Discerning people will see the somewhat subtle differences there, but a less critical person may not.


38 posted on 01/21/2015 4:58:42 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Clump

Rand understood free markets and the material comfort they bring. She also aptly portrayed the evil of the various “ism’s” which define the left. When it comes to the actions, and results, of these people being empowered she was downright prophetic.

Where I believe she goes astray is that she never truly understood the opposition to these evil forces. As an atheist she could only view individuals based on productive capacity. She misses the fact that all humans have worth endowed by the God, not measured by the ability to earn.

This is why her villains are so believable and her heroes ring so false.


39 posted on 01/21/2015 4:59:59 PM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: M Kehoe

Okay, the tone of your post made me think you were objecting to the author’s premise, which is more about her philosophy than anything else.


40 posted on 01/21/2015 5:00:43 PM PST by Boogieman
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