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The War on Drugs Is Lost (Reprint of an article of the February 12, 1996 issue of National Review)
National Review Online ^ | July 28, 2014 | NRO Staff

Posted on 07/28/2014 12:07:40 PM PDT by right-wing agnostic

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To: right-wing agnostic
That's only a metaphor often used in feminist speech ("war," "battle," etc.). There's been no war on drugs.

How China got rid of opium
http://www.sacu.org/opium.html


61 posted on 07/28/2014 2:29:36 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" - -Deacon character, "Waterworld")
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To: ifinnegan

You are a statist New Dealer corrupter of the Interstate Commerce Clause (Wickard v Filburn 1942) and supporter of the legal basis of all federal regulation, just to keep your WoD going. You are responsible for the Left-Religious Right coalition to destroy the Constitution in order to impose your religion on America with federal power. You are personally responsible for more violence than all the drug users put together.


62 posted on 07/28/2014 2:30:27 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (HELL, NO! BE UNGOVERNABLE! --- ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Oooooh.

Boo ga.

Meyaw ha ha.


63 posted on 07/28/2014 2:32:38 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: ConservingFreedom

And he would only have to steal $100 ;-)


64 posted on 07/28/2014 2:32:40 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (HELL, NO! BE UNGOVERNABLE! --- ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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To: familyop
How China got rid of opium
http://www.sacu.org/opium.html

How China got rid of opium? It became communist.

Pass.

65 posted on 07/28/2014 2:33:51 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Of course legalization is presented as a panacea.


66 posted on 07/28/2014 2:34:12 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan
Of course legalization is presented as a panacea.

Where and by whom?

67 posted on 07/28/2014 2:49:32 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: aimhigh

The WoD creates more evil, black markets, gangs, murders, mass incarceration for non-violent offenses, theft to support expensive habits, mass violation of civil liberties, discouragement to seek help for addiction for fear of arrest etc. that it conceivably does any good. It is mainly for some on the “right” a way to use federal power to enforce the commandment, “Thou shalt not take strong drink.” as a consolation for having failed at banning strong drink before. For the left, which is normally pro-drug, it is a temporary compromise of their principles to buy your vote to create and maintain federal power outside the Constitution to do everything else they want. But the left always was going to legalize drugs anyway, just as soon as they didn’t need your vote anymore. Thank you for helping the left take over America.


68 posted on 07/28/2014 2:53:32 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (HELL, NO! BE UNGOVERNABLE! --- ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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To: ifinnegan

It is the lesser of two evils. See #68.


69 posted on 07/28/2014 2:55:55 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (HELL, NO! BE UNGOVERNABLE! --- ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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To: Resolute Conservative
Stop arresting misdemeanor possession mutts and stick to the mass distributors.

Absolutely the wrong strategy. Anyone who has experience with a black market is aware that you simply cannot stop it by choking off the supply. Attempts to do so, to the extent they are successful, only increase the profit margins and attract new entrants into the field.

The only way to stop a black market is to decrease or eliminate demand.

It is, BTW, wildly unfair for us to blame poor countries to our south for the social dislocations created by our own inability as a rich society to control ourselves.

70 posted on 07/28/2014 3:20:28 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
"How China got rid of opium? It became communist."

China's methods didn't have anything to do with the communism. Dopers are commies, though.


71 posted on 07/28/2014 3:50:24 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" - -Deacon character, "Waterworld")
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To: outpostinmass2

I think the article mentioned “yout’s” sentenced to life for possessing a dozen ounces of pot. I don’t think we need sentencing guidelines to that extreme for possession, even in “dealer” quantities, unless there was a capital offense included. The last time I read about a bank robber, I seem to recall they were sentenced to 15 years. For robbing a bank.

I guess my objection is to mandatory minimum sentences for drug offenses that also result in “we” the taxpayers footing the bill for a life or decades long sentence.

So, I don’t think legalization is the way to go, but I absolutely think the laws and sentencing guidelines could stand to be reformed. And add the tax laws to the reform list too if we are trying to address legislation that is out of whack.

Just my opinion and opinions will vary.


72 posted on 07/28/2014 4:26:18 PM PDT by jaydee770
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To: right-wing agnostic

How about we just don’t pay disability for addicts? How about we give stiffer sentences to addicts that commit serious crimes? Not for actually holding the drugs...


73 posted on 07/28/2014 7:07:31 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: familyop
China's methods didn't have anything to do with the communism.

Did you read your own link? "Street committees," "re-education" and the like were central to the effort.

74 posted on 07/29/2014 6:25:48 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Sherman Logan

I disagree on a point. The arresting of small possession offenders clogs our judicial and penal systems. We waste millions if not billions on their legal issues and worthless rehab attempts.


75 posted on 07/29/2014 7:11:27 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative; Sherman Logan
Sherman Logan: The only way to stop a black market is to decrease or eliminate demand.

I disagree on a point. The arresting of small possession offenders clogs our judicial and penal systems. We waste millions if not billions on their legal issues and worthless rehab attempts.

I'm not sure you're disagreeing. If the only way to stop a black market is to decrease or eliminate demand, but it's wildly impractical to decrease or eliminate demand as you say, there's a logical conclusion ...

76 posted on 07/29/2014 7:26:53 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Resolute Conservative
The arresting of small possession offenders clogs our judicial and penal systems. We waste millions if not billions on their legal issues and worthless rehab attempts.

A great many of those in prison for "possession" are there because they plea-bargained to this charge after being arrested for considerably more "serious" charges, quite often violent crimes.

The prosecutors love "possession" because it's pretty much a slam dunk. They either had it on them or they didn't. Proving other charges involved laborious and difficult issues with things like evidence, witnesses, trials, etc. Since possession penalties are pretty steep, why go to all the effort to prosecute for a more difficult to prove crime?

That said, this is not at all a good thing, IMO. That well over 90% of those prosecuted are convicted and over 90% of them on plea bargains is IMO a scandal and hissing.

Unless you believe cops and prosecutors never make mistakes or arrest and prosecute out of vindictiveness, that is. The real problem is the way our courts have been taken over by pleas, not that people are prosecuted for possession.

YMMV

77 posted on 07/29/2014 9:14:20 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
"Did you read your own link? 'Street committees,' 're-education' and the like were central to the effort."

From the article:
"Peasants were persuaded to plough in their opium crops and sow wheat or rice instead. Neighbourhoods were mobilised in a massive educational programme. The street committees which governed the neighbourhoods held study groups in which the evils of opium and heroin were discussed."

Looks like they lacked the big federal funding that goes to state and local governments here to pay for the problems caused by addiction, prostitution, feminism, homosexualism and other lib* traps. We're becoming a nation of peasant contracts with government-funded slavers and their constituent associates.


78 posted on 07/29/2014 12:22:12 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" - -Deacon character, "Waterworld")
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To: familyop
They did communism on a tight budget. Is that what you're advocating for the United States of America?
79 posted on 07/29/2014 12:34:48 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Cut government spending. Execute the drug pushers.


80 posted on 07/29/2014 1:10:14 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" - -Deacon character, "Waterworld")
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