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Sheriff's deputy will NOT be charged for shooting dead 13-year-old boy ...
The Daily Mail Online ^ | July 8, 2014 | ASSOCIATED PRESS and DAILY MAIL REPORTER

Posted on 07/08/2014 7:08:32 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

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To: Moonman62

Where are you living — in an alternate universe???

What the h do you think the DA was considering doing the last 8 months — deciding the colors for his award ribbons???

Find it yourself —


121 posted on 07/08/2014 1:55:15 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
That is really uncalled for.

I have fired AK-47’s as has my team mate here. We looked at the pictures and it took us some time to see the differences. In a stress situation, with the person turned away, as he is turning toward you it can be very easy to misidentify. There is a reason they put orange caps on the ends of those things.

The only thing most people see as a barrel comes into view is the hole, not the rest of the gun.

122 posted on 07/08/2014 2:00:44 PM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: rey

the facts about his actions speak for themselves. Decent human beings do not shoot down children and then as they lay dying, shoot them multiple times.


123 posted on 07/08/2014 2:06:52 PM PDT by sport
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To: Uncle Chip

I’m stating a fact: the officer isn’t being charged with a crime. You seem to be in disagreement with the fact, so I think you’re the one who needs to do research.


124 posted on 07/08/2014 2:15:54 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

His words of wisdom are here:

Writing under his real name on the forum The Firing Line, Gelhaus wrote under a thread entitled “He’s got a gun! … A bb gun…” that:

“It’s going to come down to YOUR ability to articulate to law enforcement and very likely the Court that you were in fear of death or serious bodily injury. I think we keep coming back to this, articulation — your ability to explain why — will be quite significant.”

His LinkedIn page cites that he worked for Aimpoint, a company that develops sighting technology for firearms. Another regular job for Gelhaus is as a writer for Modern Service Weapons and SWAT Magazine. In 2008, he wrote in SWAT:

“Today is the day you may need to kill someone in order to go home. If you cannot turn into the ‘Mean Gene’ for yourself, who will? If you find yourself in an ambush, in the kill zone, you need to turn on the ‘Mean Gene.’”

http://heavy.com/news/2013/10/erick-gelhaus-andy-lopez-shooting-cop/


125 posted on 07/08/2014 2:20:42 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Moonman62

I’m stating a fact: the current DA with financial and political and familial connections with the Santa Rosa PD is not charging the officer with a crime.

Just because the DA is not pressing charges at this time does not mean that he didn’t commit a crime or that he won’t be charged in the future by this DA or a different one.

I’ll let you get back to your research now —


126 posted on 07/08/2014 2:28:54 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
I’m stating a fact: the current DA with financial and political and familial connections with the Santa Rosa PD is not charging the officer with a crime.

So if the DA isn't charging the officer because of your claim of corruption, shouldn't you be able to cite what laws were broken and how that could be proved in court?

127 posted on 07/08/2014 2:37:10 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

and you should be able to find it too —

Start under “Murder” and go from there.

Or isn’t murder a crime in your book???


128 posted on 07/08/2014 2:46:55 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

So how did he violate the murder statute?


129 posted on 07/08/2014 2:52:24 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Uncle Chip

These people protect their own.

Vile Scum.


130 posted on 07/08/2014 2:53:40 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Moonman62

He killed another human being who was committing no crime and was endangering no one.


131 posted on 07/08/2014 2:55:56 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Wow. Thanks!

He was a walking time bomb. Case closed.


132 posted on 07/08/2014 2:57:55 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Peace On Earth! Purity of Essence! McCain/Ripper 2016)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

Not “Was” — “Is”.

He went back on active duty last December — less than 2 months after the killing — and has been trolling the streets ever since.


133 posted on 07/08/2014 3:01:08 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: sport

“Decent human beings do not shoot down children “

Yes they do, if that child presents themselves as a threat, which this child sought to do by modifying the replica to look even more real, by dressing in gang colors, and by brandishing the weapon as though it were real.

Read “Handgun Stopping Power” by Marshal and Sanow and you will understand why you put multiple rounds into any perp if your life is threatened.

By your logic Paul Tibbets and anybody else who caused civilian or child casualties is not a decent person or anyone who made an honest mistake, which is what the Lopez incident was.

By the letter of the law and the evidence before us, there was no wrong doing.


134 posted on 07/08/2014 3:07:55 PM PDT by rey
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To: Uncle Chip

“He went back on active duty last December — less than 2 months after the killing — and has been trolling the streets ever since.”

No. He is assigned administrative duties. It has been cited in a few articles.


135 posted on 07/08/2014 3:12:27 PM PDT by rey
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To: wbarmy
The worst this could be is “death by cop”, the best is just a stupid kid running around scaring people with his modified toy.

Were there any reports of shots being fired beforehand by the 13 year old that would make the cop fear for his life? Did the 13 year old fire any shots at the cop? Did the 13 year old have a prior to gun violence that was known by the cop? Did the cop give the kid the benefit of doubt?

136 posted on 07/08/2014 3:36:27 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Uncle Chip

Here’s a link to the DA’s 51 page report. I’ve skimmed through it. It includes witness statements, a toxicology report for the deceased, laws concerning replica guns (Andy was breaking the law in that regard.), the laws applicable to the police officer, a legal analysis and conclusion why the officer shouldn’t be charged.

http://sonomacounty.ca.gov/documents/da/2014/andy-lopez-information.pdf


137 posted on 07/08/2014 3:38:26 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Karl Spooner

I do not know, and neither does anyone here. The investigators for the police department should have looked into those things, and until I see something different, I will stand by what I said. You go running around a neighborhood with what looks like a real gun, scaring somebody who calls the police, then lifting it toward the police, you will probably get shot.

No one reading this would do that with their weapons, open carry or not. There has to be some common sense when carrying any kind of weapon, especially one which could be mistaken for something really deadly.

Finally, could the cop have acted in a more deliberate manner? Yes, he could have, especially if he was a war veteran. But I was not in his position, hearing what was said on the radio, and being in that neighborhood. Again, if more information comes out, my opinion might change.


138 posted on 07/08/2014 3:51:55 PM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: wbarmy

Those were pretty basic questions I asked you.


139 posted on 07/08/2014 3:55:29 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Karl Spooner

And I answered. I do not know, and neither does anyone here.


140 posted on 07/08/2014 4:00:04 PM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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