Posted on 05/09/2014 6:19:54 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
Q. Are Tea Party Folks Conservative or Libertarian ?
on Balance ?
I think there may be a problem with your definitions.
I believe you will find that the Libertarians on FR and in the Tea Party are “Constitutionalists” first and foremost.
We know what everyone means when they say the GOP, or Millennials, or “youth” are more libertarian on issues like gay marriage and abortion drugs, porn, immigration, etc.
That is completely FALSE.
Again, you didn’t say anything except to make a personal attack.
If you disagree with the insightful description in post 4, then tell me, so far you haven’t, you just make personal attacks.
No, I don’t know that libertarianism is pro abortion. As a conservative with libertarian leanings, I can tell you that I believe the libertarian non-initiation of force principle applies to unborn people. I would guess that most of the libertarians around here agree with this.
Do you think they mean the youth are becoming more conservative on social issues, when they say they are becoming libertarian?
Is that why Rand Paul says the GOP has to move left on social issues?
Good luck. Morbidly fascinating to see someone who is so consumed,
Nice way to couch what you are hiding.
Libertarianism is pro-abortion, and you should know that before promoting it, and I think you do, it is also pro-gay marriage, pro-gays in the military, and much much more.
I’m not the one pushing libertarianism on a conservative site.
That is easy, conservative, they are more conservative, more religious, more social conservative than republicans, they are not libertarians.
That doesn’t address a problem I have nowadays.
I have zero faith in government. Been consistent in that view for more than two decades. But now, in the past handful of years, witnessing the ease of American cultural decline and embrace of deviancy, courtesy its media masters, I frankly have absolutely zero faith in the American populace, as well.
My guess is that I’m slowly trending into becoming a completely alienated non-voter, with no interest or concern left in me towards anything to do with this country. Not a reality I like, and quite the opposite of my entire existence, but it seems my inexorable fate.
Your suspicious mind is leading you to believe things that aren’t true. I’m not hiding anything.
Yes, the Libertarian party takes the wrong position on abortion in their platform. That doesn’t mean the libertarian position is pro abortion. Nor pro gay marriage or pro gay military etc.
I oppose all of these and my opposition to them in no way runs counter to my libertarian instincts.
The lack of government is called 'anarchy'---the poor dear is quite ignorant.
Actually, the libertarian argument against infanticide is one of the better philosophical arguments out there if you’re not going to come at it from the point of view of religion. Not everyone believes in God. Sad, but it is what it is.
Responsibility and freedom go hand in hand. There is plenty to disagree with when it comes to libertarian philosophy (I’m not a libertarian but am sympathetic to some of their views), but their argument against infanticide is one of the better ones. It’s a shame it’s not better known.
It isn’t only their party that is pro-abortion, gay marriage etc, libertarians are as well.
Libertarians are pro-abortion and just as I describe them, you dissent, others do as well, but it doesn’t change what libertarianism is, nor does it mean that the great majority of libertarians disagree with their own politics of libertarianism
There is a reason that a conservative calls himself conservative, he is all three legs of the conservative stool, like Reagan, move two legs of that stool into the left’s column, and you now have a “libertarian”.
Yup. That thing you said.
Do you think they mean the youth are becoming more conservative on social issues, when they say they are becoming libertarian?
Is that why Rand Paul says the GOP has to move left on social issues?
1. No. The youth is becoming less and less trustful of Government. They are less conservative on social issues but are increasingly rejecting Government.
2. Rand Paul (personally disappointing) is playing politics for a Presidential run.
The political opportunity exists by capturing the discontent for an authoritative government, whether it is “Conservative or Liberal”, and focusing issues away from “group think” and to the value of the individual.
Now, we, as I posted earlier, must trust the individual and our local “elected” officials to represent the wishes of their community.
What we see today is Propositions and laws “Voted” locally, and being overturned by some higher State or Federal court.
You need to gain a better understanding of what Liberty actually means.
“Could it be that she didn’t believe in ghosts?”
I don’t understand your question. I have no idea as to her views on ghosts. I don’t even know if she ever wrote about them.
I think that Objectivism can be criticized on several grounds:
1) It states that giving is immoral. If I give willingly, the Russian midget can go f**k herself while she passes moral judgment on me. If I am free, I am free to give, or not. If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. Some Rush lyrics, perhaps ironically.
2) Objectivism assumes Judeo-Christian ideas about various non-sexual aspects of morality and property rights without coming up with its own reasons for such moral precepts and rights to exist. I’m bigger than you, so that’s mine. Argue against me, Objectivist, but make it fast, before I bash in your skull and take your stuff (welcome to open borders USA). Why non-aggression? Do I owe you non-aggression? If so, why? Just making me an evil/dumb character in a book isn’t going to cut it. Why not Cuffy Meigs? Does he owe something to John Galt? His strength is in strength itself. Why can’t he use it? Is it because of the suffering that follows? Why do we see the suffering of the masses in Atlas Shrugged? What do we owe them? Why must engineering, physics, and the mind be protected? By whom? Economics Man will answer that doing so will produce the best for the most. Randian Man cannot use that reasoning because he doesn’t owe anyone anything.
3) If we owe nothing at all to any other person, then child-rearing is going to be interesting, to say the least. It’s a logical end to Rand’s reasoning, but to my knowledge she only barely touched on it: a passing reference to a couple of children in Galt’s Gulch (a really wonderful little scene). Having them and raising them requires the “sanction of the victim”. I’m feeling a bit victimized by my teenager right now. Maybe there’s a payoff for me in this, but I’m not seeing it, and I’m really not seeing it in caring for my aged mother. Geez!
There’s three off the top of my head, and I love Atlas Shrugged. It’s one of my favorite books. I didn’t even say “Cult of Personality” until just now.
WTF about ghosts?
It isn't known because a small number of dissenters are not meaningful to what libertarianism is, I assume that the democrat party has some pro-gun people in it, or even anti-"infanticide" people in it, but they aren't making a difference, just as your anti-"infanticide" people don't make a difference in libertarianism.
It is dishonest to try and portray libertarianism as not being full term pro-abortion.
You’re simply wrong about libertarians necessarily being pro abortion, pro gay, etc. In particular, you’re wrong about the libertarians who hang out here at FR.
Do you ever take your arguments outside of FR? Maybe you should try some other forums where can annoy people who actually disagree with you on most issues.
I think in that gibberish, you were making your pitch for conservatives to move left.
So you know exactly what you are doing, you just want to hide it.
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